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Old 08-01-2009, 12:22 PM   #1
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We don't have enough track record on Cassel to know what he really is yet.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:26 PM   #2
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I totally agree about the stats thing too. If you're on a team with a lousy defense, you have to throw the ball a lot. That's a stat padder. Kitna was not a top 10 quarterback, but he was constantly throwing the ball after the first 5 minutes because the Lions were always behind. Good fantasy player.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:28 PM   #3
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I totally agree about the stats thing too. If you're on a team with a lousy defense, you have to throw the ball a lot. That's a stat padder. Kitna was not a top 10 quarterback, but he was constantly throwing the ball after the first 5 minutes because the Lions were always behind. Good fantasy player.
last year?
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:29 PM   #4
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last year?
No, no, a few years ago. Just making a point about stats and whatnot.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:30 PM   #5
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No, no, a few years ago. Just making a point about stats and whatnot.
i know just ****ing with you year before last IIRC.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:29 PM   #6
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Oh for the love of christ, I give up.

I do love Jason's double talk though "What has Palmer ever won? "Just because Eli won a bowl?"

You don't get to make contradicting statements like that pick one...but we can say this. Carson Palmer took the ****ing Bengals to the playoffs. Cassel didn't make the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the previous year.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:31 PM   #7
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Oh for the love of christ, I give up.

I do love Jason's double talk though "What has Palmer ever won? "Just because Eli won a bowl?"

You don't get to make contradicting statements like that pick one...but we can say this. Carson Palmer took the ****ing Bengals to the playoffs. Cassel didn't make the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the previous year.
mecca i am sitting here using everything YOU use all the time, you double talk, see how it works.
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Old 08-02-2009, 12:39 AM   #8
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Oh for the love of christ, I give up.

I do love Jason's double talk though "What has Palmer ever won? "Just because Eli won a bowl?"

You don't get to make contradicting statements like that pick one...but we can say this. Carson Palmer took the ****ing Bengals to the playoffs. Cassel didn't make the playoffs with a team that went 16-0 the previous year.
Wasn't that really more because of their defensive failings?
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:37 AM   #9
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Wasn't that really more because of their defensive failings?
Yes it was, but that is irrelevent to people who make these kinds of silly arguments.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:33 PM   #10
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If we want to use stats as the argument take Palmer's last 2 full seasons. I didn't put him in the top 10 due to injury and I've seen Jason and Hootie both bag on him his stats are off the damn board.

It's like moving the goal posts "well he has stats but doesn't win" "oh he won well hell what else" I don't think anyone thinks Carson Palmer is why the Bengals don't win. In contract they went from being a general 6-8 win team with him to being an abomination without him.
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You should go pull his stats since you were big on doing that a minute ago...

Carson Palmer is physically everything people want in a QB, he has the stupid arm and can make ridiculous throws that leave peoples jaws dropping.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:43 PM   #12
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You should go pull his stats since you were big on doing that a minute ago...

Carson Palmer is physically everything people want in a QB, he has the stupid arm and can make ridiculous throws that leave peoples jaws dropping.
1380-2165 63.7 15360 yards 107td-67 int, and has also had a history of injuries. if you average it out that s almost identical to cassel's last year
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:45 PM   #13
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2006-07 Cincinnati 16 93.9 324 520 62.3 4035 252.2 7.8 28 13

2007-08 Cincinnati 16 86.7 373 575 64.9 4131 258.2 7.2 26 20

Yea I don't think Cassel is averaging those numbers...

We can all have our views although I think Palmer will be back in a big way this year.
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:47 PM   #14
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2006-07 Cincinnati 16 93.9 324 520 62.3 4035 252.2 7.8 28 13

2007-08 Cincinnati 16 86.7 373 575 64.9 4131 258.2 7.2 26 20

Yea I don't think Cassel is averaging those numbers...

We can all have our views although I think Palmer will be back in a big way this year.
for his CAREER he has averaged about the same as cassel. thats what was said. YOU seem to use career accomplishments as the basis for top 10 right? and those were for 06 and 07, you seem to try and show like that happened in 08. 08 he was hurt
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Old 08-01-2009, 12:48 PM   #15
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Look now is the time for people to get excited about the team. no one wants to hear a lot of negative bullshit. lets get behind these guys and try to at least enjoy the ride we are getting ready to go on, for better or worse
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