Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 16

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

People expect him to cover WR's for 8 seconds, and when he doesn't, all hell breaks loose.

See today's game thread.

Not all of those catches were 10 seconds the guy just doesn't get his head around which you expect from a NFL Cb.

MeatRock · 01-04-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

O'Callaghan is what he is, a backup. B-Rich should get every opportunity to win the job next season.

As far as Pioli goes, if this draft is full of reaches and Colin Browns, I will be very interested to see how people spin it so that the myth that the Chiefs will be built into contenders in the next 3-4 years can continue to be peddled.

Ok but everytime i see B-Rich play he falls flat on his ass. At this point B-Rich is a backup based on past performances truth be told. B-Rich has had an opportunity to win the RT spot when Herm was still here. We all seen how that went. Back to a backup or the practice squad. Maybe we need a new RT, but i know this, O'Call can run block that is evident.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefforlife

We continued to get updates on Boomer freakin Grigsby who wasnt even a Chief, I would think trading a current player was more relevent to Chiefs "insider info" than Boomer.

Except that the trade didn't happen.

And for the last ****ing time, it's entirely possible this news didn't leak until recently, considering JC's recent play.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Have you ever dined with Carl Delano Peterson?

No but I saw his wine cellar at Mortons.

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

No but I saw his wine cellar at Mortons.

Show me on the doll where he touched you in the wine cellar.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

Not all of those catches were 10 seconds the guy just doesn't get his head around which you expect from a NFL Cb.

No, some of them were zone coverage.

My point is that many people have no clue. They just blame the guy closest to the WR without recognizing the coverage, or considering the ridiculous lack of pass rush.

Could he have played better? Absolutely.

Was he as bad as people were claiming in the game thread.

Absolutely not.

**jAZ** · 01-04-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

O'Callaghan is what he is, a backup. B-Rich should get every opportunity to win the job next season.

As far as Pioli goes, if this draft is full of reaches and Colin Browns, I will be very interested to see how people spin it so that the myth that the Chiefs will be built into contenders in the next 3-4 years can continue to be peddled.

Short of a player being cut, you don't judge a draft player/class as a failure immediately (though you can obviously see a success immediately). It will only be after 3-4 years before you can be know that a player was a bust or a reach.

01-04-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

I suppose that is true but I figure if you go to the pressers eventually you would develope some sources unless you're a total cheese dick. Even Nick Wright has some sources who are pretty accurate.

When you attend pressers you're there with 3-4 cameramen, 3-4 TV reporters, a couple of print guys, a couple radio personalities, Chiefs PR, and the chiefs personnel on the microphone.

It's not a great opportunity to develop sources.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

That's a fair possibility, I'll admit.

I'm not questioning that Charles was trade-bait. I'm questioning compensation.

Are DTs to a team without a DT worth more or less than a second string/change of pace back?

Carolina, who had some playoff aspirations, was willing to part with a 5th for the first. With that in mind, why was that same price too low to pay for Charles, given that you claimed that no NFL team would trade their second string RB for a 5th?

We made a similar trade for Michael Bennett twice.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Show me on the doll where he touched you in the wine cellar.

You watched that show on NatGeo about Cults too?

Mecca · 01-04-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, some of them were zone coverage.

My point is that many people have no clue. They just blame the guy closest to the WR without recognizing the coverage, or considering the ridiculous lack of pass rush.

Could he have played better? Absolutely.

Was he as bad as people were claiming in the game thread.

Absolutely not.

You mean like the loads of fans who somehow thought Greg Wesley was good because he got INT's?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-04-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Ok but everytime i see B-Rich play he falls flat on his ass. At this point B-Rich is a backup based on past performances truth be told. B-Rich has had an opportunity to win the RT spot when Herm was still here. We all seen how that went. Back to a backup or the practice squad. Maybe we need a new RT, but i know this, O'Call can run block that is evident.

Barry Richardson is a converted left tackle that started 40 games at Clemson. He was also a 6th round pick with ideal size, strength and intelligence.

"We all seen" potential and a better player than either O'Callaghan or Nsukwe.

Hopefully, the coaching staff "seen it", too.

Titty Meat · 01-04-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No, some of them were zone coverage.

My point is that many people have no clue. They just blame the guy closest to the WR without recognizing the coverage, or considering the ridiculous lack of pass rush.

Could he have played better? Absolutely.

Was he as bad as people were claiming in the game thread.

Absolutely not.

It wasn't just this game either. The games vs San Diego Jackson made him his bitch on a few plays in the red zone. I get it that he's a young CB but I do wonder if Washington is suppose to replace him in the lineup. Looks like the guy has raw talent and was a ****tard at OSU thats why he didn't get drafted until the 4th round.

**chiefforlife** · 01-04-2010, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Except that the trade didn't happen.

And for the last ****ing time, it's entirely possible this news didn't leak until recently, considering JC's recent play.

Its POSSIBLE that Pioli had lunch with Nick and told him all about it...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by billay

It wasn't just this game either. The games vs San Diego Jackson made him his bitch on a few plays in the red zone. I get it that he's a young CB but I do wonder if Washington is suppose to replace him in the lineup. Looks like the guy has raw talent and was a ****tard at OSU thats why he didn't get drafted until the 4th round.

Jackson makes most CB's his bitch.

6-5 is damn tough to cover.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
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