Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 37

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

KCBOSS1 · 01-04-2010, 04:46 PM

We are one year into a total re-build that we all knew was going to have to happen and of course, the planet is exploding because we're not 8&8. It took Herm a few years to completely demolish a winning program and it's gonna take a few years to re-establish one.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Who said anything about coming in and whacking everyone?

I'm saying it's no excuse to ignore bringing in a pass rushing OLB via the draft or FA just because you want to see if Hali can do it.

****. That.

You acquire talent first and foremost. If Hali ends up being serviceable, even better. You can mow move him to the other side, which is a gaping ****ing hole, or at worst have quality depth at a position you previously had nothing at.

hali worked out in that regards, no? so why overspend on a high priced pass rusher in FA? what if he didnt feel as though the draft had one that was worth our pick in a given round? no you... him. his feelings. that what he's paid for correct? and that's why he was voted wait for it i know you love this here it comes EXECUTIVE OF THE DECADE.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

didnt he also get a 5 tech that we didnt have to start with? also a couple of linemen the could probably work out for a year or two.

Are you serious?

You're going to claim that Jackson, Alleman and Ndukwe are "acquiring talent?"

You're going to ridiculous lengths to defend a guy that brought in 45+ new players, and found zero playmakers, a guy that is a borderline WR2, more like WR3, and a place kicker.

All of the elite talent, playmakers, however you want to slice it - all came from previous regimes.

After one year, that is completely unacceptable.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 04:52 PM

Yawn.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

hali worked out in that regards, no? so why overspend on a high priced pass rusher in FA? what if he didnt feel as though the draft had one that was worth our pick in a given round? no you... him. his feelings. that what he's paid for correct? and that's why he was voted wait for it i know you love this here it comes EXECUTIVE OF THE DECADE.

No, he really didn't.

Unless you're OK with your "best" LB getting 8 sacks a year and getting abused in the run game.

There are a handful of positions that are unlikely to be able to be upgraded:

CB, LT, K, P

You can add Charles to that list, but we have no depth, nor anyone to spell him.

Otherwise, every position on the roster could be pretty easily upgraded - and could have been last offseason as well.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Yawn.

Yeah, arguing with Sauto is boring.

Arguing with you is much more exciting.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are you serious?

You're going to claim that Jackson, Alleman and Ndukwe are "acquiring talent?"

You're going to ridiculous lengths to defend a guy that brought in 45+ new players, and found zero playmakers, a guy that is a borderline WR2, more like WR3, and a place kicker.

All of the elite talent, playmakers, however you want to slice it - all came from previous regimes.

After one year, that is completely unacceptable.

so the guy rated as the BEST 5 TECH in the draft wasnt "talent" that was acquired?

what about o'callahan? he wasnt acquired? he hasnt played lights out but he has been an upgrade from who was there to start the season.

You are the one going to ridiculous lengths to bash the guy. hell you have spent all ****ing day doing just that. it was obvious you were looking for a fight at 8 am this morning and you have spent all day fighting. did you have a bad weekend? you seem a little tense today. its funny how you use tis place as an outlet. you need to yell at someone you are here. i'm just glad hootie took one for the team today.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 04:56 PM

no you're just a broken record

we get it

we do

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

no you're just a broken record

we get it

we do

Obviously, Sauto doesn't.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

no you're just a broken record

we get it

we do

mecca has rubbed off well on this one. hell he spent quite some time asking if anyone heard him this morning, then when some replied they werent what he was looking for so he still said he was being ignored. poor guy

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Obviously, Sauto doesn't.

uuummmmm yes i do, like hootie said you are a broken ****ing record saying the same thing, over and over and over and over, and then to make it even better you say it in every thread no matter the topic.

charles=pioli
cassel=pioli
waters=pioli
everything goes back to you standing on your little box ranting about what they did wrong and what YOU would have liked to happen. Are you that ****ing spoiled that if you dont get you way you keep going over it again and again until someone caves?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so the guy rated as the BEST 5 TECH in the draft wasnt "talent" that was acquired?

what about o'callahan? he wasnt acquired? he hasnt played lights out but he has been an upgrade from who was there to start the season.

You are the one going to ridiculous lengths to bash the guy. hell you have spent all ****ing day doing just that. it was obvious you were looking for a fight at 8 am this morning and you have spent all day fighting. did you have a bad weekend? you seem a little tense today. its funny how you use tis place as an outlet. you need to yell at someone you are here. i'm just glad hootie took one for the team today.

Oh, FFS.

Who did we acquire that's a PLAYMAKER?

A DIFFERENCE MAKER?

An IMPACT PLAYER?

Your defense of Pioli is Tyson Jackson, who plays a complementary position, and Ryan ****ing O'Callaghan, who was no better (also no worse) than McIntosh?

Really?

That's your case?

Wow.

Well, I can't beat stupidity. I'm done.

Enjoy the Kool-Aid. Yay Pioli. Yay 2/45.

**SAUTO** · 01-04-2010, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, FFS.

Who did we acquire that's a PLAYMAKER?

A DIFFERENCE MAKER?

An IMPACT PLAYER?

Your defense of Pioli is Tyson Jackson, who plays a complementary position, and Ryan ****ing O'Callaghan, who was no better (also no worse) than McIntosh?

Really?

That's your case?

Wow.

Well, I can't beat stupidity. I'm done.

Enjoy the Kool-Aid. Yay Pioli. Yay 2/45.

now it changes (par for the course with you) originally it was who was an UPGRADE. now it's a playmaker. just make up what you want and run with it cool guy

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 05:04 PM

I'm all for firing Pioli and hiring Mecca and OTWP...with Hamas and Dane on their staff...

that's what they want...they spend so much time breaking down tape and scouting prospects...they'd be perfect hires

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

now it changes (par for the course with you) originally it was who was an UPGRADE. now it's a playmaker. just make up what you want and run with it cool guy

Didn't change anything, you just can't, or choose not to read.

The following was said early in the conversation, you just chose to focus on the talent comment, because without it, you're argument look seven more ridiculous that it already does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are you serious?

You're going to claim that Jackson, Alleman and Ndukwe are "acquiring talent?"

You're going to ridiculous lengths to defend a guy that brought in 45+ new players, and found zero playmakers, a guy that is a borderline WR2, more like WR3, and a place kicker.

All of the elite talent, playmakers, however you want to slice it - all came from previous regimes.

After one year, that is completely unacceptable.

Later.

01-04-2010, 12:22 AM
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I'm all for firing Pioli and hiring Mecca and OTWP...with Hamas and Dane on their staff... that's what they want...they spend so much time breaking down tape and scouting prospects...they'd be perfect hires
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