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Old 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM  
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Chiefs tried to trade Charles
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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:14 PM   #556
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I'm all for firing Pioli and hiring Mecca and OTWP...with Hamas and Dane on their staff...

that's what they want...they spend so much time breaking down tape and scouting prospects...they'd be perfect hires
Ah, Hootie's back.

Thought he might have turned a corner there for a bit - we were having a good discussion.

So much for that.

See ya, dude.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:16 PM   #557
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Didn't change anything, you just can't, or choose not to read.

The following was said early in the conversation, you just chose to focus on the talent comment, because without it, you're argument look seven more ridiculous that it already does.



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whoa you said you were done several posts ago, now youre back? cant even keep your word huh? and you have also said 45+players and only 2 were an upgrade many many times. no mention of playmakers there huh?
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:16 PM   #558
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I can believe it. Charles couldn't hold on to the damn football.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:16 PM   #559
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Thought he might have turned a corner there for a bit - we were having a good discussion.
Haha, I was reading those exchanges and thought, "Damn, they're about to kiss and make up."
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:22 PM   #560
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Complaining about a trade that didn't happen. This is delicious.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:23 PM   #561
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this deeply worries me about pioli's player evaluation skills if he was so close to trading who is now our best player.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:24 PM   #562
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YOU called it right away? That we wouldn't like Pioli?

Jesus, dude. There are mountains of posts and thread where we came right out and SAID he wasn't our first choice before he was ever hired.

Hell, I had few expectations to begin with, but he didn't even meet those.

And again, what has Pioli done that gives any impression he can meet your expectations?

Anyone? Feel free. Can anyone answer that question?
BTW this was the first post i was referring to. i told you exactly why i thought we might have a chance at getting better this offseason. just because you dont agree doesnt make it wrong. and yes you have said many times that out of 45 2 were an upgrade.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:29 PM   #563
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500 post thread in defense of Nick Athan.....


time to re-evaluate things when you look around and Athan is your only friend in a fight....
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:33 PM   #564
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500 post thread in defense of Nick "Assclown" Athan.....


time to re-evaluate things when you look around and Athan is your only friend in a fight....
He is reputable when he has an opinion to support your beliefs. Works for JW and Peter King too.

Seriously, has anybody found any other info to back this story up?

One thing I wonder is why does he only mention the Redskins? Did we only offer him to one team for a 5th? Nobody else was interested? Not enough info for me.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:46 PM   #565
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Quite a few people argued that LJ should not have been the starter on this team, actually. I relentlessly beat GoChiefs over the head with a hammer about how ****ing worthless LJ was/is.

milkman was also very outspoken about Charles and even Smith being better options.
Hope this hasn't been posted as I'm only 4 ****ing hundred posts in:

it's probably best that LJ took the burden early on as the OL was a sieve, even on running plays. As it is JC got the shit beat of him in the games he did play.
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:00 PM   #566
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564 posts and this is my official opinion:


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I just can't believe that some people believe a person who has admitted that he has lost most if not all his sources. If he has insider information on the trades, then people who actually do have sources should have that same info right? How come they didn't come out with this story first?
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So without reading 600 posts, isn't this a case of no shit? It wasn't much of a secret that everyone save Cassel and Jackson were on the trading block for the right price.
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Complaining about a trade that didn't happen. This is delicious.
Heh, par for the course for this place.
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So without reading 600 posts, isn't this a case of no shit? It wasn't much of a secret that everyone save Cassel and Jackson were on the trading block for the right price.
Thats not really the premise of the arguments here. Its more about believing what Athan says, even though no one ever does. But, since there is so much hate for Pioli by a select few, they will believe anything negative written about Scott. Regardless of the author.
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