Chiefs Georgia QB Jake Fromm offers high praise for Meole Hardman - Page 2

Stargazer · 11:04 PM

Both Jake Fromm and Georgia DB J.R. Reed were asked about Hardman's potential at SEC Media Days in Birmingham and each had glowing responses.
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BWillie · 07-17-2019, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Disagreement is fine, speaking in absolutes is pretty ****ing dumb at this point. You have never seen him play yet you’re already predicting how his career plays out? Based on what?

Wait wait wait. Who was in his jersey in college? Was that someone else? Clone? Whoa. Far out.

smithandrew051 · 07-17-2019, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I'm taking a wait and see stance...Conely had crazy combine numbers that never really translated.

If he cant make it work with Mahomes, Kelce, Watkins, Hill and Reid....he's just going to be another name heaped into the "blazing fast athlete" scrap pile.

If he DOES pan out out...look the **** out.

I do think he was a weird pick...considering how Pringle looked before getting injured. I understand that he is being groomed for Watkins financial replacement...but wasn't really a crucial get.

Chiefs needed defensive help...especially DBs.

The Chiefs had more pressing needs on defense, but keep in mind that they went all defense in the previous draft. We can’t let the offense get old and expensive around Mahomes.

I think WR was more pressing than most think. The Tyreek situation was still up in the air and we know Watkins is injury prone. At the time, there was a feeling that we might be without one or both at some point in the coming season. Yes we have Mahomes, but we still need weapons around him.

KChiefs1 · 07-17-2019, 06:14 AM

I never make a judgment on a player until I watch them in a game.

staylor26 · 07-17-2019, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

He will not live up to his potential as a Chief - hope I'm wrong. Could definitely be a productive 500-650 yard guy, just don't ever see him as ever a #1 option even if we didn't have Reek.

Care to offer a legitimate explanation for this? What exactly do you not like about him as a prospect?

PunkinDrublic · 07-17-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Wait wait wait. Who was in his jersey in college? Was that someone else? Clone? Whoa. Far out.

That means **** all. You have no idea whether or not he will have a successful transition to a highly productive NFL career. To make those kind of predictions is nonsense.

**loochy** · 07-17-2019, 09:01 AM

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**Shaid** · 07-17-2019, 09:11 AM

I don't think anyone saw Reek being as good as he is as a receiver either. Let's see what some time with Pat can do. A good QB can make a receiver's career.

O.city · 07-17-2019, 09:16 AM

Just having his speed and being with Andy Reid, he'll produce something. What that will be I don't know.

I don't think he'll be Tyreek year one, but that's pretty obvious.

Andy may have his faults, but if he signs off on you as a WR, i'm gonna guess you'll be pretty good.

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2019, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

He will not live up to his potential as a Chief - hope I'm wrong. Could definitely be a productive 500-650 yard guy, just don't ever see him as ever a #1 option even if we didn't have Reek.

Dude got (over) drafted in the 2nd round. Let's not pretend like mid 2nd round WRs are supposed to be #1 options.

If you can routinely get 600+ yard downfield threats with 2nd round picks in this league, you're in pretty good shape.

O.city · 07-17-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dude got (over) drafted in the 2nd round. Let's not pretend like mid 2nd round WRs are supposed to be #1 options.

If you can routinely get 600+ yard downfield threats with 2nd round picks in this league, you're in pretty good shape.

People struggle with expectations.

Am I ever expecting him to develop into Tyreek? Nah. Tyreek is a top 5 football player in the league right now. Not just a WR, but football player. Dude tracks the ball better than I every thought he could or would. It's awesome. Plus the speed etc.

But back to expectations, guys drafted in the 2nd round could develop into top guys sure. But that's ideal. In a real scenario where you get a guy that gives you 600 yards and 4 or 5 TD's per year, while being dynamic, well that's pretty good.

Take Desean for example. Was he ever the actual #1 guy? Nah, probably not. But he was the absolute ideal #2 guy. A speed guy that runs a limited route tree, but the routes he runs are the most valuable ones you can have.

I think that's the ceiling for a guy like Hardman. Sure, you'd love for him to develop into a technician route runner with that speed, but that's just hard. More likely, be the speed guy that you can just throw a few killshots too and work from there.

Guys that are the total package don't go in the 2nd round. They go in the top 15.

ToxSocks · 07-17-2019, 10:01 AM

The guy will be a play maker and likely have his own special packages he comes in for, like the way DAT was used.

His speed and RAC ability, combined with Reid's ability create space with his scheme ensures this kid will make plays his rookie year.

Reid will make sure he establishes himself early too, so he can have one more respected weapon to stretch and twist a defense.

This kid going one way, Reek going another and Kelce/Watkins/Williams doing w/e the **** Reid has them doing, this offense will be unbelievable to watch.

And lastly, you can bet your ass he'll be running 9's to run the legs off the defense all game long. They've been telling him all offseason that he better be ready to run.

They aint sayin' that shit for no reason. Reid's gonna make those DB's run till they're sucking air on the sideline.

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2019, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I'm taking a wait and see stance...Conely had crazy combine numbers that never really translated.

If he cant make it work with Mahomes, Kelce, Watkins, Hill and Reid....he's just going to be another name heaped into the "blazing fast athlete" scrap pile.

If he DOES pan out out...look the **** out.

I do think he was a weird pick...considering how Pringle looked before getting injured. I understand that he is being groomed for Watkins financial replacement...but wasn't really a crucial get.

Chiefs needed defensive help...especially DBs.

A lot of Conley's numbers were excellent but the one that stood out was the one that doomed him - dude's 3-cone time was abysmal.

And you saw it in his route running from day 1 here. He simply couldn't get in and out of his breaks well enough to be a difference maker.

Hardman appears to have better feet though I don't think he ran the 3-cone. That alone will make his ceiling in this offense significantly higher than Conley's.

I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.

O.city · 07-17-2019, 10:04 AM

It's pretty crazy to go back and watch some highlights of last year where there are times that guys are just....open. Some of that is because we have some badasses at skill spots for sure, but Andy is just a damn wizard with that stuff.

I mean it's one thing for Tyreek to just outrun a guy, but when you get some crazy route combo where Kelce is just flying across the middle with no one around him, it's awesome.

ToxSocks · 07-17-2019, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I still think he was a reach, but Andy's the best in the business at scheming guys into space and if you can give this kid a little running room before he gets the ball, it's a big play waiting to happen.

After wataching Hardman several times it began to stick out to me that he's a much stronger, compact runner than his build suggests.

My initial impression just looking at him was Desean Jackson. But this guy is built stronger than Desean and can probably take a bit more punishment. He runs strong for his frame.

DJ's left nut · 07-17-2019, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

The guy will be a play maker and likely have his own special packages he comes in for, like the way DAT was used.

His speed and RAC ability, combined with Reid's ability create space with his scheme ensures this kid will make plays his rookie year.

Reid will make sure he establishes himself early too, so he can have one more respected weapon to stretch and twist a defense.

This kid going one way, Reek going another and Kelce/Watkins/Williams doing w/e the **** Reid has them doing, this offense will be unbelievable to watch.

And lastly, you can bet your ass he'll be running 9's to run the legs off the defense all game long. They've been telling him all offseason that he better be ready to run.

They aint sayin' that shit for no reason. Reid's gonna make those DB's run till they're sucking air on the sideline.

Mentioned that in the Hill thread.

I think Reid has found a tactical advantage in just making DBs chase some of these guys. Robinson is dangerous in that regard as well.

At any given time the Chiefs can send 4 guys out there who can demonstrate genuine upper quartile NFL speed. Hill, Watkins, Robinson and Hardman can all be rotated and run until the damn DBs just can't run anymore.

It's the inverse to the old school "run the ball 35 times in 3 quarters and those LBers aren't gonna wanna hit in the 4th anymore...." idea.

Well if you spend 3 quarters with DBs chasing those jackrabbits all over the place, they're gonna feel it in their legs by the 4th.

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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	The guy will be a play maker and likely have his own special packages he comes in for, like the way DAT was used. His speed and RAC ability, combined with Reid's ability create space with his scheme ensures this kid will make plays his rookie year. Reid will make sure he establishes himself early too, so he can have one more respected weapon to stretch and twist a defense. This kid going one way, Reek going another and Kelce/Watkins/Williams doing w/e the **** Reid has them doing, this offense will be unbelievable to watch. And lastly, you can bet your ass he'll be running 9's to run the legs off the defense all game long. They've been telling him all offseason that he better be ready to run. They aint sayin' that shit for no reason. Reid's gonna make those DB's run till they're sucking air on the sideline. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-595936	It's pretty crazy to go back and watch some highlights of last year where there are times that guys are just....open. Some of that is because we have some badasses at skill spots for sure, but Andy is just a damn wizard with that stuff. I mean it's one thing for Tyreek to just outrun a guy, but when you get some crazy route combo where Kelce is just flying across the middle with no one around him, it's awesome.
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