The Super Bowl was rigged...

[B2chiefsfan]

That is all...

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

errr...no. Several players, whose opinions are overvalued because they were excellent players, speculated that the NFL fixes games.

I know you're a smart person therefore I'm reposting a video and all I ask is that you watch the first minute and give me your honest thoughts without any judgement from me whatsoever.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

what you are saying is you believe the story lines I just said were bogus.
no coach and no QB combined while every piece changes around them could win that much for 15 years. No ball coach and no QB are that innovative or that superior. Just 2 more dumb schlubs playing football.

isnt it amazing that both them and the Redsox have been doing so well the last decade?...and the Boston Bruins..and the Celtics owned the 80s..4 completely seperate sports and yet that region just keeps raking it in?

somehow the good sports fairy just keeps letting them get allll the mojo?

And Philly keeps getting ****ed. Why is that, do you think? Does Philadelphia not have powerful mob influences controlling things behind the scenes, compared to Boston's? How do we get all the good stuff while Philadelphia, a larger metropolitan area, keeps getting the shaft?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And Philly keeps getting ****ed. Why is that, do you think? Does Philadelphia not have powerful mob influences controlling things behind the scenes, compared to Boston's? How do we get all the good stuff while Philadelphia, a larger metropolitan area, keeps getting the shaft?

Because **** Philadelphia.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

I know you're a smart person therefore I'm reposting a video and all I ask is that you watch the first minute and give me your honest thoughts without any judgement from me whatsoever.

Will do (in a little while).

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

I know you're a smart person therefore I'm reposting a video and all I ask is that you watch the first minute and give me your honest thoughts without any judgement from me whatsoever.

Fascinating

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

And Philly keeps getting ****ed. Why is that, do you think? Does Philadelphia not have powerful mob influences controlling things behind the scenes, compared to Boston's? How do we get all the good stuff while Philadelphia, a larger metropolitan area, keeps getting the shaft?

Eagles do in fact keep making the playoffs, Phillies went to series in 2008-09.

Flyers keep making the playoffs. Sixers keep making playoffs too with a minor recent drop off. You dont have to win finals, making playoffs id enough reward for owner.
but yes, the Eagles havent hit the top,why?
the Eagles are the one team to have two long term starting black QBs.
Phila. is a region with a large black population.....this is a theory of mine but the math makes sense.
The Eagles are allowed to succeed better than a majority of teams but only so far

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

I know you're a smart person therefore I'm reposting a video and all I ask is that you watch the first minute and give me your honest thoughts without any judgement from me whatsoever.

I'm pressed for time, but watched the first three minutes. That plus typing this is about what I have for now.

I would certainly admit that it is entirely possible -- indeed perhaps likely -- that SOME games have been thrown, or fixed, or what have you. The Black Sox scandal certainly happened, and the BC college hoops point shaving scandal. I'm not ignorant of these events. Far from it, having read books on both.

I also don't deny that money talks, and bullshit walks. Gambling is a vast enterprise in America, with tons of money behind it. No surprise if it could exert influence here and there.

But there is a VAST difference between a game here or there, or a player here or there, and the "NFL manipulates the outcomes of all games" type of thing that people here seem to be suggesting. First, a rogue player (or group of players), versus the entire enterprise, is a vast difference. Second, a massive, widespread conspiracy inevitably tends to fail due to the inability of people to simply keep their mouths shut.

Have you SEEN Belichick and Brady after they lose. They are, in short, very sore losers. Surly and unpleasant in the extreme, like many others in professional sports, they are hypercompetitive nutcases. You want to suggest for a single second that Bird, Brady, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, or any of the other obviously insanely competitive superstars that tend to dictate games intentionally threw one? Sure, there are superstars who might not care, but the ones that are famous for going insane if they even lose at checkers? They THREW games? That's ridiculous, I'm sorry.

Meanwhile, there's Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and others that were cited here. They claim the fix is in because of how "they wuz robbed". These same hypercompetitive athletes, unable to accept that they lost straight up, either start to believe "the fix was in" for the other team, or whatever. Let's face it, most athletes aren't really all that incredibly bright. Put two coincidences together or whatever, and suddenly they may start to see conspiracies behind every corner.

Ugh, too long already. GTG. Can revisit tomorrow.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I'm pressed for time, but watched the first three minutes. That plus typing this is about what I have for now.

I would certainly admit that it is entirely possible -- indeed perhaps likely -- that SOME games have been thrown, or fixed, or what have you. The Black Sox scandal certainly happened, and the BC college hoops point shaving scandal. I'm not ignorant of these events. Far from it, having read books on both.

I also don't deny that money talks, and bullshit walks. Gambling is a vast enterprise in America, with tons of money behind it. No surprise if it could exert influence here and there.

But there is a VAST difference between a game here or there, or a player here or there, and the "NFL manipulates the outcomes of all games" type of thing that people here seem to be suggesting. First, a rogue player (or group of players), versus the entire enterprise, is a vast difference. Second, a massive, widespread conspiracy inevitably tends to fail due to the inability of people to simply keep their mouths shut.

Have you SEEN Belichick and Brady after they lose. They are, in short, very sore losers. Surly and unpleasant in the extreme, like many others in professional sports, they are hypercompetitive nutcases. You want to suggest for a single second that Bird, Brady, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, or any of the other obviously insanely competitive superstars that tend to dictate games intentionally threw one? Sure, there are superstars who might not care, but the ones that are famous for going insane if they even lose at checkers? They THREW games? That's ridiculous, I'm sorry.

Meanwhile, there's Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and others that were cited here. They claim the fix is in because of how "they wuz robbed". These same hypercompetitive athletes, unable to accept that they lost straight up, either start to believe "the fix was in" for the other team, or whatever. Let's face it, most athletes aren't really all that incredibly bright. Put two coincidences together or whatever, and suddenly they may start to see conspiracies behind every corner.

Ugh, too long already. GTG. Can revisit tomorrow.

you have no proof they care other than stories. You dont get to be the best unless you look and act the part.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Meanwhile, there's Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and others that were cited here. They claim the fix is in because of how "they wuz robbed". These same hypercompetitive athletes, unable to accept that they lost straight up, either start to believe "the fix was in" for the other team, or whatever.

NO.

That's a nice story...except Suggs and Lewis DIDN'T LOSE.

They were beating the pants off the 49ers. They both claimed that the blackout at the SB was faked in order to stage a 49ers comeback. The 49ers lost in the final seconds, but the NFL and their refs did their damndest to get the 49ers back in that game.

Dick Butkus didn't claim 'he was robbed' - do you just make shit up to fit your own narrative, or do you even actually read what is posted??

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

NO.

That's a nice story...except Suggs and Lewis DIDN'T LOSE.

They were beating the pants off the 49ers. They both claimed that the blackout at the SB was faked in order to stage a 49ers comeback. The 49ers lost in the final seconds, but the NFL and their refs did their damndest to get the 49ers back in that game.

Dick Butkus didn't claim 'he was robbed' - do you just make shit up to fit your own narrative, or do you even actually read what is posted??

you can easily say they were told to say somethings up to make it look like a controversy.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

you have no proof they care other than stories. You dont get to be the best unless you look and act the part.

That's why some players who look and act the part (JJ Watt) get more hype than players who may be better at the given position (Robert Quinn), but that hype also helps Houston sell tickets, in spite of their abysmal football organization.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

you can easily say they were told to say somethings up to make it look like a controversy.

You could say any number of things...all I have to go on is what they said.

You really think Dick Butkus was told to tell Olbermann on the airplane that the NFL rigged its games??

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

That's why some players who look and act the part (JJ Watt) get more hype than players who may be better at the given position (Robert Quinn), but that hype also helps Houston sell tickets, in spite of their abysmal football organization.

Houston has made the playoffs 3 of the last 4 or 5 years.
teams are usually successful like that before or after hosting a super bowl.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

You really think Dick Butkus was told to tell Olbermann on the airplane that the NFL rigged its games??

In all fairness the book is about certain games not all games.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

In all fairness the book is about certain games not all games.

no book ever will be about all games