Barry Richardson

[TheGuardian]

Dude sucks. He was the main reason the offense went into the toilet today. Couldn't run block, couldn't pass block. Got his ass whipped 1 on 1 all day.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Guys,

DRU has it exactly right. All of you guys that were watching the game on TV need to shut the fuck up and listen to him.

I was sitting in section 342 and I was staring at Barry Richardson the entire time that all of this BS went on. I saw him get pulled from the game after he got called for the penalty when the Chiefs were inside the 5 yard line and about to score. I saw him shove the assistant coach. Then another player got in his face (I couldn't see who the player was), and Richardson shoved him too. He was completely out of control, and it sounds like the TV cameras didn't capture this at all. I saw Richardson run away from everyone, and at the time I said to my son "Are they sending him to the locker room?".

I saw the coach run after Richardson and yell something to him. I saw Richardson turn around and start to sprint back onto the field, but he was about 75 yards away from the line of scrimmage, and I told my son "No, look, he's running back onto the field, but he's never going to make it".

They wanted Richardson in there for the 4th down play, but he was too busy making a total jackass out of himself. He may be the best option at right tackle right now, but he let the team down on that play. I'm glad it didn't cost them the game.

So the ST coach made the call to not let him sub in on an offensive play?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Sully

So the ST coach made the call to not let him sub in on an offensive play?

I don't think it was making a call to not let a sub in, so much as recognizing the situation and realizing that there wasn't time to sub.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Complete and utter bullshit.

The coaching staff should have called a timeout, not pulled Richardson for ONE PLAY.

No, really Dane, he IS the best option at right tackle.

I'll grant you that pulling him out of the game at that point was a bad idea, and the coaching staff made a mistake by not calling a timeout and settling things down.

But there is no denying that Richardson made a total jackass out of himself. There is no way anyone can say that Richardson was blameless here.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

No, really Dane, he IS the best option at right tackle.

I'll grant you that pulling him out of the game at that point was a bad idea, and the coaching staff made a mistake by not calling a timeout and settling things down.

But there is no denying that Richardson made a total jackass out of himself. There is no way anyone can say that Richardson was blameless here.

Clearly, you don't want your players to lose control, but at same time, I am happy to see that emotion, becuase it tells me he is motivated to play, as I've pointed out earlier.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Richardson slipped due to concerns over his fire. The fact that he cares that much is a positive sign, even if it is a silver lining on a cloud of dumbassery.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Richardson slipped due to concerns over his fire. The fact that he cares that much is a positive sign, even if it is a silver lining on a cloud of dumbassery.

I won't argue that. He needs to cut down on mistakes on the field as well as the sidelines as well though.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I won't argue that. He needs to cut down on mistakes on the field as well as the sidelines as well though.

You're really missing the point here:

Haley cost the Chiefs not only seven points by his actions but three points as well.

Richardson struggled at times today. He played very well last week against a DE that had 8 sacks on the season. He didn't give up a sack and the Chiefs scored 42 points against a division leading team. He hadn't started at left tackle in four years. To state he was benched for what was supposed to be ONE PLAY because of last week is absolutely ludicrous.

Back to today's game. After two penalties in one series, Haley should have called a time out. Instead, he unfairly pulled Richardson, which led to ZERO POINTS.

The bottom line is that Haley needs to be held accountable for the failure of that drive. Period.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Sully

So the ST coach made the call to not let him sub in on an offensive play?

No. Richardson took himself out of the play by shoving a coach, shoving another player, thowing a temper tantrum, and leaving the area.

Seriously Sully, you shouldn't keep arguing this point. The television cameras didn't capture everything that went on.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by milkman

Clearly, you don't want your players to lose control, but at same time, I am happy to see that emotion, becuase it tells me he is motivated to play, as I've pointed out earlier.

Were you at the game?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

No. Richardson took himself out of the play by shoving a coach, shoving another player, thowing a temper tantrum, and leaving the area.

Seriously Sully, you shouldn't keep arguing this point. The television cameras didn't capture everything that went on.

So what you're stating is that while Richardson was pulled for one play, he was supposed to be immediately ready to go back in. Simply put, he was "punished" for one play.

Well quite honestly, that's stupid. They pulled the same shit with him against Denver and guess what? He was out the rest of the game. Why would he have any reason to believe that today would be any different?

The coaching staff ****ed up. Plain and simple.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're really missing the point here:

Haley cost the Chiefs not only seven points by his actions but three points as well.

Richardson struggled at times today. He played very well last week against a DE that had 8 sacks on the season. He didn't give up a sack and the Chiefs scored 42 points against a division leading team. He hadn't started at left tackle in four years. To state he was benched for what was supposed to be ONE PLAY because of last week is absolutely ludicrous.

Back to today's game. After two penalties in one series, Haley should have called a time out. Instead, he unfairly pulled Richardson, which led to ZERO POINTS.

The bottom line is that Haley needs to be held accountable for the failure of that drive. Period.

No doubt we should have kicked a FG and that is all on Haley but my point all along has simply been Richardson didn't get pulled for that one play.

I hope he starts the rest of the season. A bad couple of games doesn't a season make for a RT. He played poorly in Denver as well. Maybe it's a Denver thing.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

No doubt we should have kicked a FG and that is all on Haley but my point all along has simply been Richardson didn't get pulled for that one play.

There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he was pulled for any other reason than the offsides penalty.

According to the people at the game, they were desperately trying to get him back in the game but he was too angry to realize what was happening.

And since they pulled him in Denver and sat him on the bench the rest of the game, there was no reason for him to believe that he'd be returning (which he did, of course, in the very next offensive series).

It was a dumb move that proved nothing, other than the fact that Todd Haley does not practice what he preaches.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There is absolutely NO reason to believe that he was pulled for any other reason than the offsides penalty.

According to the people at the game, they were desperately trying to get him back in the game but he was too angry to realize what was happening.

And since they pulled him in Denver and sat him on the bench the rest of the game, there was no reason for him to believe that he'd be returning (which he did, of course, in the very next offensive series).

It was a dumb move that proved nothing, other than the fact that Todd Haley does not practice what he preaches.

I'd say that in the heat of the moment, Haley screwed up. But I'll give him a pass because I really like his overall performance this year.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

No. Richardson took himself out of the play by shoving a coach, shoving another player, thowing a temper tantrum, and leaving the area.

Seriously Sully, you shouldn't keep arguing this point. The television cameras didn't capture everything that went on.

I'm not arguing. I'm asking.
Every part of what you said and what others have said could be true, and it still doesn't logically (to me) fit the conclusion you are making, which, if I understand correctly, is this;
Richardson was pulled, and some coach decided he was to be subbed back in after one play (doesn't make sense), but the ST coach made the call that the sub was too late (also doesn't make sense).
So I'm simply asking, at this point to understand if that's truly the argument.

My take on it is that he was pulled, threw his tantrum, some coach told him he needed to be ready for a FG attempt (even if Haley had made up his mind to go for it, if 3rd down was stuffed for a big loss, you can bet he'd change his mind), in his tantrum he saw that it was 4th and began to run out, and the ST coach pulled him.

Since no one can answer which coach sprinted down to put him in, or why that coach (if it wasn't Hoffman) wasn't the one to pull him, or why, of all the coaches in the area, the ST guy was the one to make the call, I'm going with my gut... Especially knowing the ownership position coaches put on their guys.

I've stipulated several times I could be wrong.

But I'm simply asking questions.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Sully

I'm not arguing. I'm asking.
Every part of what you said and what others have said could be true, and it still doesn't logically (to me) fit the conclusion you are making, which, if I understand correctly, is this;
Richardson was pulled, and some coach decided he was to be subbed back in after one play (doesn't make sense), but the ST coach made the call that the sub was too late (also doesn't make sense).
So I'm simply asking, at this point to understand if that's truly the argument.

My take on it is that he was pulled, threw his tantrum, some coach told him he needed to be ready for a FG attempt (even if Haley had made up his mind to go for it, if 3rd down was stuffed for a big loss, you can bet he'd change his mind), in his tantrum he saw that it was 4th and began to run out, and the ST coach pulled him.

Since no one can answer which coach sprinted down to put him in, or why that coach (if it wasn't Hoffman) wasn't the one to pull him, or why, of all the coaches in the area, the ST guy was the one to make the call, I'm going with my gut... Especially knowing the ownership position coaches put on their guys.

I've stipulated several times I could be wrong.

But I'm simply asking questions.

Fair enough. My take is a little different. I figured Haley or the offensive line coach said "Where the fuck is Richardson?", and the coach closest to him said "Barry, get your ass back on the field!".