It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

[Direckshun]

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Laz

the outside running game is mostly fine

the inside running game as sucked ass and costs us in short yardage all the time. It didn't matter who ran the ball up the middle Jones,McClain,Battle,DMC ... it sucked.

which is what Decastro would be drafted to fix.

The inside running game sucked with Jackie Battle and Thomas Jones, running behind Casey Wiegmann and Ryan Lilja.

Peyton Hillis and somebody like Robert Turbin in the 4th round? Running behind Rodney Hudson and Jon Asamoah?

Should not be an issue worth spending a 1st to repair.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Build the offense you need to win a championship. Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright is a championship caliber WR corps.

If the QB can't play in that offense, get a new QB.

Like Brandon Weeden in the second.

Couldn't resist.

we can pick up a WR any year, we already have 2 first round picks at the position...and Weeden is a 40 year old dweeb

[O.city]

We do have a shitty situation at qb, but you can't or well shouldn't draft because of that. Build the team so someone can hopefully fall into the qb spot and be surrounded with elite talent.


ALA Stanzi.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by O.city

We do have a shitty situation at qb, but you can't or well shouldn't draft because of that. Build the team so someone can hopefully fall into the qb spot and be surrounded with elite talent.


ALA Stanzi.

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

Yeah, but you can never have too much.


Besides I'm talking about using a 3 or 4 round pick on a guy, not a first. Hell the guy I want is projected to be a 4 or 5 rounder.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Saints drafted Robert Meachum in the first when they didn't need a WR.

Packers drafted Randall Cobb last year in the 2nd when they didn't need a WR.

Is there any chance you'd argue either of those were poor selections?

The Saints drafted Meachem when it was just Devery Henderson and Marques Colston at the position. The #3 WR slot was occupied by a broke dick Joe Horn and *huuuuuuhhhp* TERRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCE..... COOOOOOOOOOOPPEEEEEEERRRRRRR

Drafting Meachem made sense from the perspective that they needed another WR in a 3-WR attack formation, since that team loved to chuck the ball around. Sure enough, Joe Horn retired the next year, and Copper couldn't always be bothered to use his talents for the team. Meachem was a smart pick.

Same with the Packers, who needed electricity in the kick return game as well as a more "gadgety" WR who would hopefully develop into a more reliable threat than James Jones, who still tends to sit in McCarthy's doghouse quite often.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I think the Chiefs will draft a WR but I seriously doubt it will be in the first two rounds.

That said, if the Chiefs were to trade #11 to NE for #27 and #31 (cross thread comment), I would have a really hard time passing on Stephen Hill if he were there.




(yes, I'm talking to myself. What of it? )

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.
...

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

Holy shit...

Focus dude.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by Frosty

That said, if the Chiefs were to trade #11 to NE for #27 and #31 (cross thread comment), I would have a really hard time passing on Stephen Hill if he were there.




(yes, I'm talking to myself. What of it? )

Meh, we already have a 6'4 receiver who isn't the best route runner. Too similar of a player to Bowe and Baldwin already

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Meh, we already have a 6'4 receiver who isn't the best route runner. Too similar of a player to Bowe and Baldwin already

Way faster than either, though. I wouldn't mind a large receiver that can also stretch the field.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

It seems to me that Pioli has shows a tendency to fill offensive needs with veteran free agents and defensive needs through the draft. This says to me that offense is predicated on scheme, which requires guys knowing their job and executing, while the key to great defense starts with athleticism.

How many offensive weapons are there that lack speed, size, strength? Hines Ward, Wes Welker, Priest Holmes, Casey Wiegmann come immediately to mind. But I cannot think of great defenders that aren't tremendous athletes. You rarely hear about that linebacker who is slow and small, but just has a nose for the ball. Those guys get invited to training camp, but not the pro bowl.

I'm with you on Kuechly or Brockers.

[BossChief]

If we are gonna let Bowe walk, we NEED to spend a second or third on Marvin McNutt in the 2012 draft.

Then, when we move on to RS he will have an already built in set of targets he trusts in Moeaki and McNutt.

All in all though, Carr walking is somewhat justified but letting a guy like Bowe walk would be inexcusable unless he is demanding Fitzgerald money and nothing less (which is not the case)

[Coogs]

Here is the WR I am intriged with for a late round pick (we were one of the teams at his pro day too)...

WR Dale Moss has outstanding straight-line speed, but his three-cone time is what will really get NFL scouts' attention (courtesy of KSFY)

A deep third-day NFL draft crop of wide receivers got even deeper on Thursday, as South Dakota State wide receiver Dale Moss put up a set of numbers that might have even topped Stephen Hill's combine performance if Moss had done it in Indianapolis.

The 6'3", 213-pound receiver ran a 4.45 40-yard dash, according to the Yankton Daily Press & Dakotan, and Scout.com's Aaron Wilson reported that some scouts timed Moss as fast as 4.38. Those numbers would be impressive enough, but the YDP&D also gives us these astounding results:

An eye-popping 41.5 inches in the vertical jump, 10-feet-10 in the broad jump, and a 6.32 in the 3-cone drill.

As the article points out, the vertical would have been the second best at any position, and three-cone would have been the best.

The three-cone drill tests lateral agility, which is crucial for wide receivers who want to create separation from defensive backs by having crisp and sudden breaks in their routes. Shorter players usually ace it, and long-limbed receivers like Moss usually struggle a bit because of their body type (which is an advantage when comes time to haul in a pass).

For comparison's sake, the fastest three-cone time at the combine was Florida WR/RB Chris Rainey, who is 5'8" and 180 pounds.

Moss clearly inherited some of the genes that helped his uncle, Johnny Rodgers, win the Heisman Trophy with Nebraska in 1972. Moss was actually a basketball player at SDSU, but he had an extra year of athletic eligibility because he played as a true freshman.

In that one year, Moss caught 61 passes for 949 yards and six touchdowns. Wilson reports that 10 teams were in attendance, but all 32 will be hearing about this performance and thinking about placing a bet on the third day that Moss is the next small-school wonder at wide receiver.

[O.city]

If we are going with a late round wr, give my TY Hilton.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by O.city

If we are going with a late round wr, give my TY Hilton.

He is 5-10 175

Check out the numbers on Moss

6-3 213 on top of those numbers. 3 cone drill of 6.32 is reported to be one of the fastest of all time, not just this year.