It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

[Direckshun]

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

• The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
• At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
• The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
• Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
• Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

[the Talking Can]

i'm all for taking a WR or RB in later rounds

[O.city]

Moss is big and fast, I really like that.


I like T.Y though in that he can help the return game as well as be a blazer slot guy.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Okay. I'll bite. After taking a first team All-American guard in 2010 in the third round (Asamoah) and a first team All-American guard in 2011 in the second round (Hudson), you are probably not going out on a limb too much by saying that they are not going to burn a first rounder on yet another first team All-American guard in 2012. And with both Harris and Lilja on the roster, the DeCastro pick is a tad bit redundant, don't you think?

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

Barron has had two relatively important surgeries (torn pec and double hernia) as well as an arrest on his record. He is not what they are looking for after drafting Lewis in 2010 and Berry in 2011, nor what Pioli loves in a prospect.

Brockers is what he loves though.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

I think it was a cursory look and nothing more. You have to make sure that you do your homework on players.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

There is more of a need for an offensive tackle on this team than there is a defensive end. What happens if either Albert or Winston gets injured? Who's the depth at that position? What happens if Albert decides to go the free agent route after next year? At least at defensive end, we have Bailey and Bair. There is no one on the roster behind the starters at offensive tackle.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright...

Not a snowballs chance in hell.

There were rumors that the Chiefs really wanted Nate Solder last year. I think that they take a hard look at the position again.

In my personal opinion, this is what the Chiefs "big board" looks like:

1. Melvin Ingram, LB/DE/DT; South Carolina
- Originally was an ILB for the Gamecocks, but was used at every position along the defensive front seven. His versatility and athleticism is almost unmatched in this draft.

2. Riley Reiff, OT; Iowa
- I'm not completely sold on him, but we've drafted Hawkeye's in both of the past two drafts. Very solid technician who could play four positions on the line.

3. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
- Absolute prototype for the 34 DE spot and perfect nose for the passing downs. SEC.

4. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB; Alabama
- Junior, but three year starter. Long and athletic. Could also play third safety in passing downs that Crennel likes to run.

5. Jon Martin, OT; Stanford
- I like better than Reiff due to his better usable strength and length.

[O.city]

I don't think I'd not take a DE because of Bair. I think we look at one somewhere in this draft.


I really don't know who's at the top of the board. You can build up depth and one spot or another.

[the Talking Can]

the chiefs have been looking for a mid-round tackle for a couple of years...we've had teams trade up over us to draft tackles each of the last two years, i think...

Baltimore (?) jumped us in the 3rd for a guy from South Florida

I just don't think they will draft OL in the first this year..

[O.city]

I think we probably go after OL pretty heavy in the middle of this draft.

[BossChief]

@ sac still calling for ot

[Coogs]

I wonder if Massie is still on the board at #44 if we may not consider him? Most likely he will be gone, but I have seen a few mocks where he is right in that range.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

@ sac still calling for ot

Laugh all you want.

Who's the third tackle on this team?

Who's playing either tackle spot if Albert or Winston get injured?

Who's in the fold if someone gives Albert a Carr like contract, we let him go or he just walks after the 2012 season?

People seem to be fine mentioning OLB, ILB, DE, NT guys (e.g., Ingram/Mercilus; Kuechly/Hightower; Brockers/Still; Poe/Ta'amu respectively) for that first pick, but we have some depth at those positions, but it's not okay for OT? K. Shit...people around here want DeCastro, and we are freaking loaded at guard. Four deep with all of them being solid players.

How are you on DeCastro, btw? I think I'll go search around and see if you've advocated him in this draft. With Hudson, Asamoah, Lilja and Harris on the roster, I'd like to see who is wanting DeCastro with the #11 pick. Let's find out who the truly ****ing stupid people are around here.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I wonder if Massie is still on the board at #44 if we may not consider him? Most likely he will be gone, but I have seen a few mocks where he is right in that range.

Massie isn't very good. He's a pure right tackle that simply has relied on his size/strength to this point. He's technically/fundamentally flawed on most of his game. Major project that might never get it.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by O.city

I do like Wright, but again, I think there are guys later that can do the same thing he does.


One of the two slot guys from Arkansas come to mind. Ty Hilton, etc.


This is the craziest spot I remember the Chiefs being in, with regards to a first round pick.

Not really too different from '09 when we took Tyson Jackson at #3. Our needs didn't match the value of the #3, and there wasn't much talent at the top of that draft anywhere else.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Laugh all you want.

Who's the third tackle on this team?

Who's playing either tackle spot if Albert or Winston get injured?

Who's in the fold if someone gives Albert a Carr like contract, we let him go or he just walks after the 2012 season?

People seem to be fine mentioning OLB, ILB, DE, NT guys (e.g., Ingram/Mercilus; Kuechly/Hightower; Brockers/Still; Poe/Ta'amu respectively) for that first pick, but we have some depth at those positions, but it's not okay for OT? K.

All the things you say here apply even moreso to ILB, QB, S, or OLB.

One injury and we're ****ed at those positions.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Laugh all you want.

Who's the third tackle on this team?

Who's playing either tackle spot if Albert or Winston get injured?

Who's in the fold if someone gives Albert a Carr like contract, we let him go or he just walks after the 2012 season?

People seem to be fine mentioning OLB, ILB, DE, NT guys (e.g., Ingram/Mercilus; Kuechly/Hightower; Brockers/Still; Poe/Ta'amu respectively) for that first pick, but we have some depth at those positions, but it's not okay for OT? K.

so we should take reef or Martin?

Hmog

[RealSNR]

Wait we're talking about offensive tackles now? Quick! Flash the Sac Signal!

BLAM!


BLAM!


BLAM!

[O.city]

ILB, OLB, S, OL are the areas I expect us to really focus on in this draft. DL maybe too.