It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse... - Page 4

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 08:48 AM

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 11:21 AM

Damn. Matt's been feasting on too many free-range cattle out in Utah in that last photo. That there's a biiiiiiiig ass

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Damn. Matt's been feasting on too many free-range cattle out in Utah in that last photo. That there's a biiiiiiiig ass

Ever see Levy Adcock tape?

Guy's a plodder, but he's got this big gut... barely looks like a football athlete.

**the Talking Can** · 04-16-2012, 11:23 AM

we do need a tackle...but a tackle isn't going to play, barring injury

a DE or OLB is going to get some snaps based on rotations and situational packages...

which is why I think they'll grab the tackle later, imo

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ever see Levy Adcock tape?

Guy's a plodder, but he's got this big gut... barely looks like a football athlete.

This is the best ass picture I could find of him. Which I was just browsing in a non-gay way

aturnis · 04-16-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Both the Arkansas guys, to my mind, are slot guys.

Hilton is more akin to what Wright does, an outside deep threat. And he offers a similar skill set.

He doesn't offer four years in a BCS conference and Wright's leadership abilities, however.

A.J. Jenkins?

aturnis · 04-16-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

The inside running game sucked with Jackie Battle and Thomas Jones, running behind Casey Wiegmann and Ryan Lilja.

Peyton Hillis and somebody like Robert Turbin in the 4th round? Running behind Rodney Hudson and Jon Asamoah?

Should not be an issue worth spending a 1st to repair.

Asamoah is pretty weak in the run game so far.

aturnis · 04-16-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we already have elite talent at the skill positions...jesus we used the #36 pick on a #3 RB

we need a QB, not a guard or a WR...

So what, Tannehill? Need is a terrible evaluator.

**the Talking Can** · 04-16-2012, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

So what, Tannehill? Need is a terrible evaluator.

a qb over a guard or a 4th WR, in the first round?

yes

BigChiefFan · 04-16-2012, 11:46 AM

Seriously?? Wright over Malcolm Floyd?? Hope not, that's a huge reach at 11. Floyd should be available at 11 and is a better prospect and has more proto-typical size. I consider Wright a big reach at 11.

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Seriously?? Wright over Malcolm Floyd?? Hope not, that's a huge reach at 11. Floyd should be available at 11 and is a better prospect and has more proto-typical size. I consider Wright a big reach at 11.

I'll betcha anything the Bills take Floyd at 10. Gailey needs to make headlines and get something going, and he can't do that if he drafts a fatty.

BigChiefFan · 04-16-2012, 12:11 PM

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I'll betcha anything the Bills take Floyd at 10. Gailey needs to make headlines and get something going, and he can't do that if he drafts a fatty.

I've got them taking Riley Reiff at 10. Gailey knows the value of a LT and Reiff at 10 is a damn good value.

I've got Floyd going to the Jets at 16.

Saccopoo · 04-16-2012, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

All the things you say here apply even moreso to ILB, QB, S, or OLB.

One injury and we're ****ed at those positions.

The quarterback position - not so much. Quinn is at least even with Cassel. Stanzi? Who knows. He could be good. Pioli has talked him up recently (mentioned him favorably at the combine). We don't have Joe Montana in his prime, but neither does any other team.

OLB we have Sheffield and Studebaker, both of whom have experience playing the position at the NFL level.

ILB has Siler and Greenwood.

Safety? That's a concern spot and we'll probably look at that in this draft, though Brown or Washington could fill in in a pinch.

Tackle? Yeah, there is nobody after Albert and Winston. No one. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

And still people think we should draft DeCastro when guard is the deepest position on this team.

Saccopoo · 04-16-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Wait we're talking about offensive tackles now? Quick! Flash the Sac Signal!

BLAM!

BLAM!

There you go.

In all honesty, I'd much rather have Matt Reynolds in the fourth than Reiff or Martin in the first. He's as good as either of them.

**BossChief** · 04-16-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

The quarterback position - not so much. Quinn is at least even with Cassel. Stanzi? Who knows. He could be good. Pioli has talked him up recently (mentioned him favorably at the combine). We don't have Joe Montana in his prime, but neither does any other team.

OLB we have Sheffield and Studebaker, both of whom have experience playing the position at the NFL level.

ILB has Siler and Greenwood.

Safety? That's a concern spot and we'll probably look at that in this draft, though Brown or Washington could fill in in a pinch.

Tackle? Yeah, there is nobody after Albert and Winston. No one. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

And still people think we should draft DeCastro when guard is the deepest position on this team.

Mimms is just as good of depth as a ot as any of those guys you listed as depth for our other positions.

Calling for Reiff or Martin in the first round for us is sac level dumbassery in regards to line play.

Seriously man, you are a good poster WHEN YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT OFFENSIVE LINES.

When you do, you paint yourself as a fool that I don't think you are at all.

It's a shame, really.

Saccopoo · 04-16-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Mimms is just as good of depth as a ot as any of those guys you listed as depth for our other positions.

Calling for Reiff or Martin in the first round for us is sac level dumbassery in regards to line play.

Seriously man, you are a good poster WHEN YOU AREN'T TALKING ABOUT OFFENSIVE LINES.

When you do, you paint yourself as a fool that I don't think you are at all.

It's a shame, really.

Mimms? Are you freaking kidding? He was a rook last year that was on the practice squad. He's 6'8" and 360 lbs. If he is even half-assed effective in a zone scheme I'll eat my hat. As good as depth as guys who have actual game time in this system?

Mimms? That's the guy you are hanging your argument on? Really?

04-16-2012, 08:48 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2113447	It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse... I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft. Several reasons, which we've all visited: The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ***ing Jones taking half the carries, behind* Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do. At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard. The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR). Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will. Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves. It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can. Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up. It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill. And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him. Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable. Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon. The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons. Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel. No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.
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