Dakota Fanning to be raped onscreen

[Hammock Parties]

This is disturbing. I hope people boycott this movie because there's no need for crap like this.


Dakota, 12, to star in 'disturbing paedophile film'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1773

Child actress Dakota Fanning will appear in a controversial new movie featuring paedophile scenes.

War of the Worlds star Dakota, 12, has signed up to appear in Hounddog.

The screenplay calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments.

A source close to the film said: "The two taboos in Hollywood are child abuse and the killing of animals.

"In this movie, both things happen." Fanning's mother, Joy, and her Hollywood agent, Cindy Osbrink, see the movie, written and directed by Deborah Kampmeier, as a possible Oscar vehicle for the pint-size star.

But despite Fanning's status as a bankable actress - whose movies, including last year's War of the Worlds have earned more than half a billion dollars since 2001 - the alarming material seems to have scared off potential investors, according to the New York Daily News.

The film charts the life of a girl who is abused and finds solace in the music of Elvis Presley.

Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed. But then the production - which also stars Robin Wright Penn, David Morse and Piper Laurie - was stopped because of a lack of money.

But emergency investors were found and the movie is set to be finished by the end of the week.

"It's not just the rape scene - the whole story is challenging Dakota as an actress," Fanning's agent, Osbrink, said.

"And I've never been so proud of her in my life. In every scene she gets better and better."

[Miles]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Good...

Still looking for mcan's suggested examples that this has been done many times already in European movies.

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Miles

I am still curious of what these great examples are outside of naked fat kids painted 500 years ago on display at the Louvre.

Dude, I've already posted this a couple of times...

Movies that involve sexual abuse of young girls (some with nudity, some without)
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...ode=girl-abuse

Movies that involve abuse of young boys (again not all have nudity but most do)
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...code=boy-abuse


Here is a list of over 200 films (some are american, most are European) that involve underage nudity. Some, very brief. Some very much NOT.
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...de=girl-nudity

[Miles]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Good...

I will say that kronenberg 1664 is is decent enough but France does make some of the worst beer I have had in Europe.

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So I should make a KKK movie to show why they're wrong?

I'll bet that works to open all kinds of minds...

Absolutely we should. Just like there should be movies about the Holocaust or movies negatively depicting war.

In my opinion movie is the greatest medium for portray an idea, feeling or message across. If movies like JFK and the Davinci code can get all of America to believe complete ant total fabrications of the truth, a movie like this helping bring to light the real problems that go on behind closed doors in society can do nothing but good.

Though you're talking to a guy who wholeheartedly thinks "Shindler's List" was the greatest movie ever made. Not my favorite, but the greatest. And it definitely had some moments that could have been left out, but Speilberg had the guts to go ahead and show it how it was.

Moooo

[Miles]

Originally Posted by mcan

Dude, I've already posted this a couple of times...

Movies that involve sexual abuse of young girls (some with nudity, some without)
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...ode=girl-abuse

Movies that involve abuse of young boys (again not all have nudity but most do)
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...code=boy-abuse


Here is a list of over 200 films (some are american, most are European) that involve underage nudity. Some, very brief. Some very much NOT.
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/keywor...de=girl-nudity

That list still doesnt have shit to do with underage nudity and rape. Forrest Gump is on that list. Great they have girl abuse and boy abuse still doesn't tell anything about Euro cinema depecting what the thread hedder is saying.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Moooo

Absolutely we should. Just like there should be movies about the Holocaust or movies negatively depicting war.


Moooo

Good point, guess I put that wrong.

Should we kill black people to show why killing black people is wrong?

Gay people?

Kids?...

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Good point, guess I put that wrong.

Should we kill black people to show why killing black people is wrong?

Gay people?

Kids?...

No, which is why I don't think the nudity in this would have to be there. Brokeback Mountain had a scene I would consider as vivid as you can get, and yet without showing an ounce of nudity. But to pan away is lame, IMO. This could be done without showing nudity, while still making the viewer cringe at what they see and experience the full spectrum of emotion involved.

I think also you have to put yourself into the mind of an actor or actress. I don't think she's old enough to understand the repercussions of something like this to herself and to her career, but at the same time people who make a living out of this form of artwork feel compelled to tell the story of others (fictional or real) as accurately as possible.

Honestly if she was 16 I wouldn't see a problem with it. Even though its still illegal a 16 year old has a much better understanding of the world enough to be able to take a role such as this and understand what its all about.

But then again, for all we know she has had a history of sexual abuse and feels she needs to do this because she's in a place where she can. There's too many variables to say its right or wrong, though I lean towards the latter anytime a 12 year old is subjected to any sort of sexuality, implied or not.

Moooo

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Miles

That list still doesnt have shit to do with underage nudity and rape. Forrest Gump is on that list. Great they have girl abuse and boy abuse still doesn't tell anything about Euro cinema depecting what the thread hedder is saying.

I did say that some of the movies don't have any nudity, right?


I guess I have to get specific...
Nude 10 year old, gets executed:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=2834
Young girl is raped. Bare chest (brief) and BLOOD:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=145
Teen is raped in the shower by several other girls (Brief nudity)
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=820
Girl seen nude in shower, and being abused in a different scene:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=177
Many underage rapes, and underage boy's penis in different scene:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=4252
15 year old being raped. 8 year old nudity in different scene:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=651
Rape and nudity of 13 year old girl:
http://www.rarefilmfinder.com/showfilm.php?id=812

I could go on and on... But I think this is sufficient to prove that it's happened, and that not all the movies on this list are akin to Forrest Gump.

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Good point, guess I put that wrong.

Should we kill black people to show why killing black people is wrong?

Gay people?

Kids?...

What? Now you're not making any sense. Of course you shouldn't actually DO something to prove that it's bad.

But depicting something is totally different than DOING it.



This all boils down to the fact that you think underage nudity is always always always always exploitation of that youth, despite the "intent." There is no way to argue for or against that. That's a moral belief. One that I happen to disagree with.

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by mcan

What? Now you're not making any sense. Of course you shouldn't actually DO something to prove that it's bad.

But depicting something is totally different than DOING it.



This all boils down to the fact that you think underage nudity is always always always always exploitation of that youth, despite the "intent." There is no way to argue for or against that. That's a moral belief. One that I happen to disagree with.

His whole argument is that there shouldn't be a place in Hollywood where a 12 year old is getting naked to do a scene of sexual nature, no matter what artistic merit or implications it may have.

Its not that the movie won't serve a good purpose, but that the actual act of filming the scene is wrong.

Moooo

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Moooo

No, which is why I don't think the nudity in this would have to be there...This could be done without showing nudity, while still making the viewer cringe at what they see and experience the full spectrum of emotion involved.

Exctly.

Exploiting a kid to show that exploiting a kid is couner productive.

Originally Posted by Moooo

Brokeback Mountain-

Was about two consenting adults.

End of story.

Originally Posted by Moooo

I think also you have to put yourself into the mind of an actor or actress. I don't think she's old enough to understand the repercussions of something like this to herself and to her career, but at the same time people who make a living out of this form of artwork feel compelled to tell the story of others (fictional or real) as accurately as possible.

Exactly why it's ok for your 12 year old daughter/neice/cousin to do a double penetration scene in porn.

It's not?

According to the constitution that qualifies as art.

Well, as long as she's 18...

[Moooo]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Exactly why it's ok for your 12 year old daughter/neice/cousin to do a double penetration scene in porn.

It's not?

The problem here is you're totally ignoring the purpose of the film. I would agree with you if this was going to be something that was used to get someone's jollies off, but its not. It will probably be done in a way that your skin is crawling when you're watching it. Its possible to view a naked body without an implication of sexuality, as well as viewing a sexual act without it being erotic.

Moooo

[mcan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Exctly.

Exploiting a kid to show that exploiting a kid is couner productive.

I just disagree that this is "exploitation." I think the intent behind this is not at all to sexually stimulate, and therefore it does not fall under the "kiddie porn" heading. I also disagree that nudity = exploitation.

I fully admit that the actual filming of the scene could cause psychological problems for a 12 year old. But, if the 12 year old, the guardian, and the director, all seem to agree that she is mature enough to handle the scene, far be it for me (some guy who's never even met the girl) to say she's too immature.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Moooo

The problem here is you're totally ignoring the purpose of the film. I would agree with you if this was going to be something that was used to get someone's jollies off, but its not. It will probably be done in a way that your skin is crawling when you're watching it. Its possible to view a naked body without an implication of sexuality, as well as viewing a sexual act without it being erotic.

Moooo

Ehhh. That's point of this whole discussion. Putting art ahead of people. That's what you're doing. You guys are saying that making a meaningful movie is more important that the lives of the actors who make the movie. If you have to exploit a 12 year old child and convince her to do things she may not completely understand, then so be it.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Moooo

The problem here is you're totally ignoring the purpose of the film. I would agree with you if this was going to be something that was used to get someone's jollies off, but its not.

EVERY movie is about entertainment...

Originally Posted by Moooo

It will probably be done in a way that your skin is crawling when you're watching it. Its possible to view a naked body without an implication of sexuality, as well as viewing a sexual act without it being erotic.

Moooo

NO ONE should be viewing a 12 year old naked body.