Dakota Fanning to be raped onscreen

[Hammock Parties]

This is disturbing. I hope people boycott this movie because there's no need for crap like this.


Dakota, 12, to star in 'disturbing paedophile film'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1773

Child actress Dakota Fanning will appear in a controversial new movie featuring paedophile scenes.

War of the Worlds star Dakota, 12, has signed up to appear in Hounddog.

The screenplay calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments.

A source close to the film said: "The two taboos in Hollywood are child abuse and the killing of animals.

"In this movie, both things happen." Fanning's mother, Joy, and her Hollywood agent, Cindy Osbrink, see the movie, written and directed by Deborah Kampmeier, as a possible Oscar vehicle for the pint-size star.

But despite Fanning's status as a bankable actress - whose movies, including last year's War of the Worlds have earned more than half a billion dollars since 2001 - the alarming material seems to have scared off potential investors, according to the New York Daily News.

The film charts the life of a girl who is abused and finds solace in the music of Elvis Presley.

Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed. But then the production - which also stars Robin Wright Penn, David Morse and Piper Laurie - was stopped because of a lack of money.

But emergency investors were found and the movie is set to be finished by the end of the week.

"It's not just the rape scene - the whole story is challenging Dakota as an actress," Fanning's agent, Osbrink, said.

"And I've never been so proud of her in my life. In every scene she gets better and better."

[Drunk]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I can only speak for myself, but for me it's not negotiable - a movie DOES have to be "entertainment".

There's only so many hours in the day and most of them are spent dealing with work and the real world. I wish to spend my free time enjoying myself. Call me hedonistic if you want, but I'm past the point of want to become "enriched" or "enlightened". I just want to get away.

Some people like to enjoy themselves by being enlightened. Others might find a movie about farting enjoyable.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Drunk

Some people like to enjoy themselves by being enlightened. Others might find a movie about farting enjoyable.

Being enlightened is too much like work. I'm lazy.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Sorry for forcing you to watch.

And thank you for your efforts in relieving me of the option to watch.

More seriously, I'd rather be ENGAGED, for ill or well, than insist on my motion picture viewing being mindless and fluffy in every instance.

Perhaps the darkest of the bunch I'd mentioned, Kids, has given me more to ruminate on, digest, ward against, etc., than all the Police Academy movies combined.

LOL

I haven't once here suggested that the movie should NOT be shown. I just don't see any reason why it SHOULD. Two different arguments, IMO.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Dude! WTF!!
She might've been raped as a kid, and directs a film about her life when she's an adult, and that makes her spineless how?
And where did that quote suggest it was 'up to' Dakota to do this?
Looks more like Dakota chose to do this, and the director is saying she shouldn't be vilified for that choice.

from what I am taking out of the conversations on this thread it is almost specifically pinpointed to how much film time will show the rape incident. No one has a problem with a woman making a movie about herself or any other woman, who's story includes a rape incident.

The extent of traumitizing the audience it the part where I personally am having the problem. The article says, several minutes of Dakota's face and hands, screen darkened around her, while she is being rapped.

Graphic display has nothing to do with it, artistic expression has nothing to do with it, the fact is, the director can get her point accross that she was traumitized and how that shaped her and how she overcame it, all in a few seconds, not moments. It's too much, making the aurgument that it's alright, seems shady to many of us.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And why does a movie always have to be 'entertainment?'
I wasn't 'entertained' by Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Kids, Bully, Gummo, In the Company of Men, The War of the Roses, Seven, any number of dark slices of the human experience. Or even more in documentaries such as Brother's Keeper, Capturing the Friedmans, even Gimme Shelter. But I often took something away from it that was moving or cautionary or unsettling, or otherwise memorable. Can't say that of every movie I see.

I guess I have a different definition of entertained than you. Seven, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List ect. are a form of entertainment to me. A much more serious entertainment, but entertainment none the less. I do not care if a movie makes me think or feel, so long as I am able to get lost in a story for a couple of hours I walk away having been entertained. I find not a GD thing entertaining about a 12 year old girl being sexually molested, not even pervesely.

But that to me is not the real issue, if you get off on that, whatever. To me the issue is the poor judgment in putting a 12 year old girl through simulated sexual molestation. She is too imature to make such a decision for herself, and those who do know what decision is being made are not thinking of her best interest emotionally, only financially. And that is the wrong motive to be driven by in this case. In a day and age where the mantra is "for the children", we are seeing one of those kiddos taking a back seat to fame and fortune.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Indyhader

I guess I have a different definition of entertained than you. Seven, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List ect. are a form of entertainment to me. A much more serious entertainment, but entertainment none the less. I do not care if a movie makes me think or feel, so long as I am able to get lost in a story for a couple of hours I walk away having been entertained. I find not a GD thing entertaining about a 12 year old girl being sexually molested, not even pervesely.

But that to me is not the real issue, if you get off on that, whatever. To me the issue is the poor judgment in putting a 12 year old girl through simulated sexual molestation. She is too imature to make such a decision for herself, and those who do know what decision is being made are not thinking of her best interest emotionally, only financially. And that is the wrong motive to be driven by in this case. In a day and age where the mantra is "for the children", we are seeing one of those kiddos taking a back seat to fame and fortune.

I tried this point earlier too, I agree.

they come off with artistic expression. which is why I gave the response one post prior to this.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Indyhader

I guess I have a different definition of entertained than you. Seven, Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List ect. are a form of entertainment to me. A much more serious entertainment, but entertainment none the less. I do not care if a movie makes me think or feel, so long as I am able to get lost in a story for a couple of hours I walk away having been entertained. I find not a GD thing entertaining about a 12 year old girl being sexually molested, not even pervesely.

But that to me is not the real issue, if you get off on that, whatever. To me the issue is the poor judgment in putting a 12 year old girl through simulated sexual molestation. She is too imature to make such a decision for herself, and those who do know what decision is being made are not thinking of her best interest emotionally, only financially. And that is the wrong motive to be driven by in this case. In a day and age where the mantra is "for the children", we are seeing one of those kiddos taking a back seat to fame and fortune.

Out of f@cking bounds.

Good God, what have I ever done to deserve that kind of sideswipe, Asshole?

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Out of f@cking bounds.

Good God, what have I ever done to deserve that kind of sideswipe, Asshole?

I'm thinking he meant in general...most here know your character is solid.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Out of f@cking bounds.

Good God, what have I ever done to deserve that kind of sideswipe, Asshole?

I didn't mean that in the way you took it. In retrospect given the subject matter being discussed it was a very poor phrasing of words to use. I apologize.

"If you find yourself entertained by that...."

[crazycoffey]

synopsis of the 480+ posts;

group 1) wow, this movie looks like it's going too far.

Group 2) what? It's ok

1) what do you mean it's ok, it is too much

2) no it's not, it's just a movie

intro group 3) we need pictures!

1) I won't watch it

2) you're closed minded

1) your a kid luster

rinse, repeat...... about 50 times.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Indyhader

I didn't mean that in the way you took it. In retrospect given the subject matter being discussed it was a very poor phrasing of words to use. I apologize.

"If you find yourself entertained by that...."

My bad. It just flowed to well with the tenor of this thread. Didn't realize that there were so firmly set camps of 'Dude, where's your car'-philes with such disdain for people who are, not ENTERTAINED, but are CAPABLE OF BEING ENGAGED, by information on and portrayals of the darker sides of the human condition.
I don't know if this is going to be an engaging movie or not. But I'm not gonna say it's incapable of having something worth saying, based on a third-hand account of a small portion of the movie, no matter how lurid that account may be.
The most succinct way I can put it is, when done properly, portrayals of man's insanity can often help me more deeply appreciate man's sanity.

EDIT: I KNEW that there was an example that I forgetting. Lilya-4-Ever is a well made, utterly depressing movie, that in the end makes you appreciate life all the more.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My bad. It just flowed to well with the tenor of this thread. Didn't realize that there were so firmly set camps of 'Dude, where's your car'-philes with such disdain for people who are, not ENTERTAINED, but are CAPABLE OF BEING ENGAGED, by information on and portrayals of the darker sides of the human condition.
I don't know if this is going to be an engaging movie or not. But I'm not gonna say it's incapable of having something worth saying, based on a third-hand account of a small portion of the movie, no matter how lurid that account may be.
The most succinct way I can put it is, when done properly, portrayals of man's insanity can often help me more deeply appreciate man's sanity.

I'm capable of being engaged. I'm enthralled by the human condition. I am worried about giving this too much attention. Two minutes is a long time to be exposed to this travesty, both as a 12 year old girl, and as a participant in the watching the movie, hearing this point alone worries me. The rest of the “supporters” arguments are mute after this, IMO.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

My bad. It just flowed to well with the tenor of this thread. Didn't realize that there were so firmly set camps of 'Dude, where's your car'-philes with such disdain for people who are, not ENTERTAINED, but are CAPABLE OF BEING ENGAGED, by information on and portrayals of the darker sides of the human condition.
I don't know if this is going to be an engaging movie or not. But I'm not gonna say it's incapable of having something worth saying, based on a third-hand account of a small portion of the movie, no matter how lurid that account may be.
The most succinct way I can put it is, when done properly, portrayals of man's insanity can often help me more deeply appreciate man's sanity.

Quite understandable. I suppose, in my case anyway, that there are some forms of insanity that I do not need to be shown in order to appreciate our sane side. Just knowing that some of these things takes place is more than enough for me. But if it works for you so be it. I just do not see the need to exploit a little girl to provide people with an "engaging" movie.

[Baby Lee]

That said, I survived Irreversible, but took no edification in doing so.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Indyhader

I just do not see the need to exploit a little girl to provide people with an "engaging" movie.

And I don't want to weigh in on the 'necessity' until I've actually seen the whole thing.