Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 245

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

ChiefsCountry · 05-05-2013, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

27

Hootie · 05-05-2013, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

27

I figured that to be the answer

I've always been curious as a KC fan. We never win shit...

so say we lucked into a Super Bowl next year (lol, I know right)...

how fun would that be? Does Denver still enjoy their run in the late 90s? Does it help ease the pain of 2 win seasons?

I feel like I'd enjoy the hell out of that ride but I'd rather build a team like NE who is in it every ****ing year and lose the final game 9 times out of 10 then win 1 Super Bowl and go back to being mediocre.

it has to be a blast to be a NE fan

even though I hate all of those ****ers especially the ones who post on CP

Al Bundy · 05-05-2013, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I figured that to be the answer

I've always been curious as a KC fan. We never win shit...

so say we lucked into a Super Bowl next year (lol, I know right)...

how fun would that be? Does Denver still enjoy their run in the late 90s? Does it help ease the pain of 2 win seasons?

I feel like I'd enjoy the hell out of that ride but I'd rather build a team like NE who is in it every ****ing year and lose the final game 9 times out of 10 then win 1 Super Bowl and go back to being mediocre.

it has to be a blast to be a NE fan

even though I hate all of those ****ers especially the ones who post on CP

I still enjoy the 2002 Superbowl year.

**alnorth** · 05-05-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

Well, since there's 30 MLB teams, every team is "due" for a win every 30 years. It obviously doesn't work out that way, but if we win once every 25 or so years, thats probably good.

I've got "pretty decent every other year but never win the big game" already with the chiefs. I'll take "suck for a couple decades, then win it all", especially since I've already watched the team through the first part of that plan.

Prison Bitch · 05-05-2013, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Because evaluating trades with the benefit of hindsight is pointless. People bitched up a storm a couple months ago. Nobody seemed to need two years to evaluate it then. Why now?

They were wrong to do that.

**DeezNutz** · 05-05-2013, 11:01 PM

WS ring would be worth at least a five-year high.

AussieChiefsFan · 05-05-2013, 11:37 PM

Detroit's 4 game series with Houston is finally over. Time to retake 1st place.

Archie F. Swin · 05-06-2013, 05:45 AM

I understand these guys being pumped after a win, but if someone gets hurt while celebrating a win....that will be uber-lame.

**Saul Good** · 05-06-2013, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

They were wrong to do that.

Why? A discussion board where people only evaluate things via post-mortems would be pretty lame.

Jerm · 05-06-2013, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

so what if the Royals shocked the world and won a World Series this year?

how many years of futility would you accept for 1 WS ring?

If I'm lucky to see one World Series win in my lifetime I'd be ok with that...

duncan_idaho · 05-06-2013, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

I understand these guys being pumped after a win, but if someone gets hurt while celebrating a win....that will be uber-lame.

Kendrys Morales' severely broken leg (And resulting limp) agree with you.

PunkinDrublic · 05-06-2013, 07:13 AM

Drove up from Dallas yesterday. Staying at a buddies house in Overland Park. Really stoked to be going to the game today. **** I've missed being up here. I could see myself moving back.

Archie F. Swin · 05-06-2013, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Drove up from Dallas yesterday. Staying at a buddies house in Overland Park. Really stoked to be going to the game today. **** I've missed being up here. I could see myself moving back.

I'll probably buy tix for one of the Royals @ Rangers games. My daughter really wants to see Darvish, but I'd rather see the Royals win

.

Archie F. Swin · 05-06-2013, 07:59 AM

not Royals related but baseball. Prince Fielder argues a strike out call TWICE in the same game, and gets nothing more than the stink eye from the home plate ump. Yet, in a different game, Bryce Harper strikes out on a check swing called strike three, argues the call and then gets tossed by the third base ump.

weird stuff
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

tredadda · 05-06-2013, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

I'm happy with the trade. Pitching is king, and Shields is a kick-ass pitcher. I'll feel much better if we can add 2 years to his deal.

The highlighted point is spot on. SF has won two of the past three WSs precisely because of that. Their offense is good, but nowhere nar dominating. Their SPs from #1-#5 are the best in baseball. This why they dominated two offensive powerhouses in Texas and Detroit.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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Archie F. Swin This is the way Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Casino cash: $9975673	I understand these guys being pumped after a win, but if someone gets hurt while celebrating a win....that will be uber-lame. __________________ "No Two People Will Do It The Same, You got It Down...When You Appear to Be In Pain!"
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05-06-2013, 07:59 AM	#3674
Archie F. Swin This is the way Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Casino cash: $9975673	not Royals related but baseball. Prince Fielder argues a strike out call TWICE in the same game, and gets nothing more than the stink eye from the home plate ump. Yet, in a different game, Bryce Harper strikes out on a check swing called strike three, argues the call and then gets tossed by the third base ump. weird stuff http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb __________________ "No Two People Will Do It The Same, You got It Down...When You Appear to Be In Pain!"
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