Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 28

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

duncan_idaho · 12-14-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

You're changing the question. Do you think he will miss fewer than 20 games?

Yes.

Not trying to change the question. I used 15-day DL because that's what he would hit if he had a an injury that would cause him to miss fewer than 20 games.

I just think assuming Cain is a piece of glass player because he had a leg injury that lingered (pretty common in baseball and football - hamstring injuries take a long time to heal completely, you never know until you test it how healthy it is, etc) is silly.

I mean, is Matt Kemp an injury risk now, because he had a leg-related injury in 2012 that he re-aggravated by not being 100 percent healthy when he tested it in game action the first time?

**Saul Good** · 12-14-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yes.

Not trying to change the question. I used 15-day DL because that's what he would hit if he had a an injury that would cause him to miss fewer than 20 games.

I just think assuming Cain is a piece of glass player because he had a leg injury that lingered (pretty common in baseball and football - hamstring injuries take a long time to heal completely, you never know until you test it how healthy it is, etc) is silly.

I mean, is Matt Kemp an injury risk now, because he had a leg-related injury in 2012 that he re-aggravated by not being 100 percent healthy when he tested it in game action the first time?

I hope you're right, but I worry about him being another DDJ. Also, he could miss 20 games with various injuries without ever going on the DL.

duncan_idaho · 12-14-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I hope you're right, but I worry about him being another DDJ. Also, he could miss 20 games with various injuries without ever going on the DL.

Why?

DeJesus' minor league history shows a much less durable player than Cain.

He missed all of the 2001 season with injury.

In 2002, he played in just 112 games over two full-season levels (missing about 30 games)

In 2003, he played in just 76 games before being called up to the majors and getting very little playing time.

DeJesus missed time with injuries almost every year he was in the major leagues. This mirrored his performance in the minors. Three minor leagues season, three seasons with major losses of PT to injury.

Fragile guys that play CF would typically be hurt EVERY year and miss decent chunks of time every year.

**Saul Good** · 12-14-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Why?

DeJesus' minor league history shows a much less durable player than Cain.

He missed all of the 2001 season with injury.

In 2002, he played in just 112 games over two full-season levels (missing about 30 games)

In 2003, he played in just 76 games before being called up to the majors and getting very little playing time.

DeJesus missed time with injuries almost every year he was in the major leagues. This mirrored his performance in the minors. Three minor leagues season, three seasons with major losses of PT to injury.

Fragile guys that play CF would typically be hurt EVERY year and miss decent chunks of time every year.

Are you really asking why a Royals fan is looking at worst case scenarios?

CoMoChief · 12-14-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Are you really asking why a Royals fan is looking at worst case scenarios?

duncan_idaho · 12-14-2012, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Are you really asking why a Royals fan is looking at worst case scenarios?

Oh, if you're just being a pessimist, I get it (see my initial reaction post after the trade, Nightfyre's post a page or two back).

Take heart: There's no real evidence to suggest Cain is injury-prone. Especially compared to the oft-injured DeJesus, who displayed a tendency to get hurt from early on.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-14-2012, 05:05 PM

Can we sell the farm for Trumbo? Please?

Our lineup would be sick.

Prison Bitch · 12-14-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Can we sell the farm for Trumbo? Please?

Our lineup would be sick.

And where would he play in the field?

KevB · 12-14-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

Can we sell the farm for Trumbo? Please?

Our lineup would be sick.

Check his split, first half and second half:

Tarzan to Jane

Nightfyre · 12-14-2012, 07:51 PM

And detroit ****s us in the ass signing Sanchez to five for eighty.

stonedstooge · 12-14-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

And detroit ****s us in the ass signing Sanchez to five for eighty.

No shit. Bastards

**DeezNutz** · 12-14-2012, 08:08 PM

Like the deranged, pathetic ****ing junkie that I am, I'm ready for the season to start.

Nightfyre · 12-14-2012, 08:30 PM

Same.

Prison Bitch · 12-14-2012, 08:36 PM

So Detroit had something like a 125M payroll or something. They can afford to sign Prince Fielder and Annibal Sanchez in successive years. Why? Where is the money coming from? Detroit is a big market? How are they affording these payrolls? They will be at 140M before you know it.

Cephalic Trauma · 12-14-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

And where would he play in the field?

Right?

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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