Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 285

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

C3HIEF3S · 05-17-2013, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Whatcha say boys...another series win? Let's get Shields some runs tonight!

No reason we don't get Shields some run support tonight. Parker is 2-5 this year with a 6.86 ERA.

**ChiTown** · 05-17-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

More like May 1966.

- Me too!

mr. tegu · 05-17-2013, 09:35 AM

Any news on Dyson's injury?

SPATCH · 05-17-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Any news on Dyson's injury?

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report

Jarrod Dyson appears headed for disabled list; #Royals likely to recall David Lough from AAA Omaha. http://bit.ly/10TjoBu

**alnorth** · 05-17-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Wil Myers continues to slump in AAA. Down to .252/.349/.392 in 143 ABs. Four HRs, 50 Ks.

If he fails, that wont automatically mean we win the trade, because the argument would be that we could have sold him for more than what we got. But, it'd be easier to win the trade since keeping him would be off the table as a possible way to win.

BigCatDaddy · 05-17-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

If he fails, that wont automatically mean we win the trade, because the argument would be that we could have sold him for more than what we got. But, it'd be easier to win the trade since keeping him would be off the table as a possible way to win.

I would think if there was a better offer on the table than we would have taken it. DM did well in this one it appears.

**gblowfish** · 05-17-2013, 10:07 AM

Time to Get Lough!

Mr. Laz · 05-17-2013, 10:32 AM

If Myers fails then of course we won the trade.

1. It means our guys properly evaluated the potential of Myers(which is a huge win for us)
2. we got something for nothing because if Myers never makes the bigs then he is a drain on the system
3. Shields is a quality starter

If you want talk about how the trade could have been even a bigger win ... that's another argument.

The longer Myers takes to make the bigs the better the trade looks.

Wade Davis still looks like he belongs more as a long reliever so he doesn't have to face the lineup a 2nd time through.

Prison Bitch · 05-17-2013, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

If he fails, that wont automatically mean we win the trade, because the argument would be that we could have sold him for more than what we got. But, it'd be easier to win the trade since keeping him would be off the table as a possible way to win.

Payroll has to be factored in here. We didn't just trade players, we also traded contracts. Shields is making what appears to be $23.75m these two years (with a $0.75m trade bonus which I'd bet we picked up). Davis is making $7.6m. Then his options kick in so we'll worry about that later.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/co...s-city-royals/

So we're on the hook for $32m including our top two prospects. Fangraphs puts the value of 1 WAR = $4.6m. So we'll have to cross 6.95 WAR between them the next two years just to clear the salary hurdle (not counting the prospects in TB and their WARs).

From the looks of it, Shields might come close to hitting that WAR total by himself. This year. That's pretty crazy. I doubt he keeps up this pace but you never know. He should put up 10 WAR his time here. Davis maybe 2 WAR total. Then it's up to TBs prospects to out-do that.

Great Expectations · 05-17-2013, 11:20 AM

Oakland opened at -103 and now sit at +104, the Royals are -113.

I think that is a pretty good be, simulations show the royals winning 66% of the time.

**Old Dog** · 05-17-2013, 11:40 AM

-113? Damn, I had to pay -125

siberian khatru · 05-17-2013, 11:45 AM

It's official:

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 18m
#Royals put OF Jarrod Dyson on 15-day DL; recall OF David Lough from AAA Omaha. http://bit.ly/10Kgryn

Cephalic Trauma · 05-17-2013, 11:51 AM

Will Nady ever sniff the majors again? If not, why sign him?

Great Expectations · 05-17-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

It's official:

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 18m
#Royals put OF Jarrod Dyson on 15-day DL; recall OF David Lough from AAA Omaha. http://bit.ly/10Kgryn

Maybe Lough stays hot, will they play him over Amélie?

Great Expectations · 05-17-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog

-113? Damn, I had to pay -125

-111 now

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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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