Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 290

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 05-19-2013, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

remind me of how many World Series titles the Indians have won

Major League took the shittiest team and made a ****ing movie about it...they chose the Indians.

you embarrass yourself every day on this site

Ok, so winning the title is the only measure of a well-run franchise. Then stop watching the Chiefs and Royals. Just stop. They don't win and they have zero chance to ever win. So you can stop asap.

If you think Cleveland hasn't been a well-run franchise the past 20 years, you are mentally reeruned.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 05-19-2013, 11:33 AM

Indians have a good team in 2013. Great Lineup and Good Pitching will be in it all year.

Hootie · 05-19-2013, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Ok, so winning the title is the only measure of a well-run franchise. Then stop watching the Chiefs and Royals. Just stop. They don't win and they have zero chance to ever win. So you can stop asap.

If you think Cleveland hasn't been a well-run franchise the past 20 years, you are mentally reeruned.

I'm sorry.

I'm just glad I wasn't the guy that posted...

"they don't tolerate losing in Cleveland."

tk13 · 05-19-2013, 11:35 AM

You have literally just become a troll. The Indians have made the playoffs once in the last 11 or 12 seasons. And even then, they had an all time choke job after being up 3-1.

They certainly had a great little run in the mid/late 90's, no doubt about that. But they still choked it away and never won anything. But that is really the only successful stretch they've had in almost 70 years.

**petegz28** · 05-19-2013, 11:36 AM

I know it isn't a 12-game losing streak but just as bad...

We were 7 games over .500 then,,,

v ChiSox-L
@ O's -L
@ O's -L
@ O's -W
v. NYY -L
v. NYY -L
v. NYY -L
@ LAAoA -W
@ LAAoA -L
@ LAAoA -W
@ A's -L
@ A's -L

That's 3-9 over our last 12

**petegz28** · 05-19-2013, 11:37 AM

Not to mention, out of our last 4 series, we have won 1 series.

Prison Bitch · 05-19-2013, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

You have literally just become a troll. The Indians have made the playoffs once in the last 11 or 12 seasons. And even then, they had an all time choke job after being up 3-1.

They certainly had a great little run in the mid/late 90's, no doubt about that. But they still choked it away and never won anything. But that is really the only successful stretch they've had in almost 70 years.

Just go onto any MLB message board, and ask what franchises are worse than the Royals. Just do it. Dare you. Then report back what you find out.

Hootie · 05-19-2013, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Just go onto any MLB message board, and ask what franchises are worse than the Royals. Just do it. Dare you. Then report back what you find out.

I don't think any Royals fan thinks we have a well ran franchise.

we're just not dumb enough to say something as ridiculous as

"THEY DON'T TOLERATE LOSING IN CLEVELAND."

That was honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life.

**petegz28** · 05-19-2013, 11:42 AM

Lookit....we have an owner that doesn't give a ****, okay?

After games like the last 2 nights, Old Man Kauffman would have been in the clubhouse reaming mother ****ers.

David Glass?????

tk13 · 05-19-2013, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Just go onto any MLB message board, and ask what franchises are worse than the Royals. Just do it. Dare you. Then report back what you find out.

This has nothing to do with the discussion we were having. You would have little problem finding people who think the Royals are poorly run. 99% of us here would agree. That has nothing to do with the discussion about how Cleveland is a city that would never tolerate losing.

Prison Bitch · 05-19-2013, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Indians have a good team in 2013. Great Lineup and Good Pitching will be in it all year.

It's amazing they can continue to do re-build after re-build up there, but we can't even do it once. Truly amazing. The level of incompetence for the past 30 years here is breathtaking.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-19-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Indians have a good team in 2013. Great Lineup and Good Pitching will be in it all year.

Maybe. They started out good last year and shit on themselves the rest of the way.

Nightfyre · 05-19-2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

I don't think any Royals fan thinks we have a well ran franchise.

we're just not dumb enough to say something as ridiculous as

"THEY DON'T TOLERATE LOSING IN CLEVELAND."

That was honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read in my life.

Hilarious. Home of the Browns, Indians and Cavs.

**SAUTO** · 05-19-2013, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

It's amazing they can continue to do re-build after re-build up there, but we can't even do it once. Truly amazing. The level of incompetence for the past 30 years here is breathtaking.

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ShowtimeSBMVP · 05-19-2013, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

Maybe. They started out good last year and shit on themselves the rest of the way.

Got a real coach now.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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05-19-2013, 11:33 AM	#4337
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1326009	Indians have a good team in 2013. Great Lineup and Good Pitching will be in it all year.
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05-19-2013, 11:35 AM	#4339
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	You have literally just become a troll. The Indians have made the playoffs once in the last 11 or 12 seasons. And even then, they had an all time choke job after being up 3-1. They certainly had a great little run in the mid/late 90's, no doubt about that. But they still choked it away and never won anything. But that is really the only successful stretch they've had in almost 70 years.
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05-19-2013, 11:36 AM	#4340
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-875873	I know it isn't a 12-game losing streak but just as bad... We were 7 games over .500 then,,, v ChiSox-L @ O's -L @ O's -L @ O's -W v. NYY -L v. NYY -L v. NYY -L @ LAAoA -W @ LAAoA -L @ LAAoA -W @ A's -L @ A's -L That's 3-9 over our last 12
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05-19-2013, 11:37 AM	#4341
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-875873	Not to mention, out of our last 4 series, we have won 1 series.
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05-19-2013, 11:42 AM	#4344
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-875873	Lookit....we have an owner that doesn't give a **, okay? After games like the last 2 nights, Old Man Kauffman would have been in the clubhouse reaming mother **ers. David Glass?????
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