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duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 07:46 PM

In other news, The Royals are currently scouting the Padres...

The Royals board seems to think we're after Forsythe (with some hoping for Blanks). Thoughts?

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/.../#article-copy

**DeezNutz** · 06-24-2013, 07:47 PM

I understand what you're saying, but the QB analogy doesn't quite work because a great position player is > a great pitcher, so Myers is essentially the QB here.

Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I understand what you're saying, but the QB analogy doesn't quite work because a great position player is > a great pitcher, so Myers is essentially the QB here.

If that assessment were true, the Royals teams in the late 90's/early 2000's would have been powerhouses.

**DeezNutz** · 06-24-2013, 07:51 PM

Finally, let's remember that we didn't have to keep Myers and do nothing; the Royals were allowed to use FA.

Santana has been pitching like an ace. + FA + Guthrie (smoke and mirrors, but whatever) + Chen (who is basically Davis) + Mendoza.

I'll take the above formula.

Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Finally, let's remember that we didn't have to keep Myers and do nothing; the Royals were allowed to use FA.

Santana has been pitching like an ace. + FA + Guthrie (smoke and mirrors, but whatever) + Chen (who is basically Davis) + Mendoza.

I'll take the above formula.

The FA you're coveting likely didn't exist.

/inb4 Anibal.

**SAUTO** · 06-24-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If that assessment were true, the Royals teams in the late 90's/early 2000's would have been powerhouses.

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**DeezNutz** · 06-24-2013, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

If that assessment were true, the Royals teams in the late 90's/early 2000's would have been powerhouses.

You still have to field a defense. I'm not advocating for the '03 Chiefs here, so we have to keep common sense in view.

**DeezNutz** · 06-24-2013, 07:53 PM

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Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 07:55 PM

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**SAUTO** · 06-24-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yeah. This why a lot of mothers have been told to get ****ed.

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Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You still have to field a defense. I'm not advocating for the '03 Chiefs here, so we have to keep common sense in view.

Bleergh, I'm done debating this. The deal is done, I was angry about it as well, but there is nothing we can do about it at this point.

Myers has hit two home runs (Again, let me point to the dominant starts that Hosmer and Moose both had. Myers still has an exuberant K rate, once pitchers figure him out, he could be in trouble)

We would have likely been the 2002 Royals if we had kept Myers. No valuable Free Agent was going to sign with us, and we would have lost Santana by the middle of the season.

Moore is an idiot, he mentioned that Moose could have been the highlight of the deal, but opted to go with Myers to avoid the latter's "growing pains."

I also disagree with your assessment of hitters v. pitchers. The last three world series championships were not won by teams with powerful lineups.

I'm done.

Nightfyre · 06-24-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The FA you're coveting likely didn't exist.

/inb4 Anibal.

I was all aboard the Anibal Sanchez bandwagon. If we had not traded for Shields and dealt Frenchy to the Yankees (whom they may have taken over Vernon Wells) we would have spent 2MM less on payroll and had Myers ready and waiting/developing further. Gordon/Cain/Myers/Dyson/Lough in the OF. Stacked lineup. Not to mention depriving Detroit of a 3 WAR player is as good as adding a 3 WAR player in the regular season.

Chiefspants · 06-24-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I was all aboard the Anibal Sanchez bandwagon. If we had not traded for Shields and dealt Frenchy to the Yankees (whom they may have taken over Vernon Wells) we would have spent 2MM less on payroll and had Myers ready and waiting/developing further. Gordon/Cain/Myers/Dyson/Lough in the OF. Stacked lineup.

He signed a 5 yr/90m contract with the team that just won the AL pennant.

He likely would have required much more to sign with the Royals.

Anibal was never an option.

Nightfyre · 06-24-2013, 08:07 PM

5/80 is what he signed - with a 16MM club option tacked on the end. (5MM buyout so I guess the deal is really 6/96 or 5/85)

**Reaper16** · 06-24-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

He signed a 5 yr/90m contract with the team that just won the AL pennant.

He likely would have required much more to sign with the Royals.

Anibal was never an option.

Reports were that Anibal got that much from Detroit because Detroit felt pressure to make a move after the Royals traded for James Shields.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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