Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 520

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

BWillie · 07-28-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin

Rany also made it clear last night that Lough is a 27 old fluke and evoked the name Bob Hamlin.

He probably is. Hes a solid major league player, dont get me wrong. But go to a royals game and listen tonwhat the casual fan thinks. I overheard some of them touting Lough as a perennial all star and better than Alex Gordon. Just cuz a guy is hitting .300 at the time doesnt mean hes going to do it after 1500 at bats. Ive been saying for a while now that ppl are going to be disappointed with guys like Perez and Escobar regress back to their mean. Its gonna be the same w Lough. Hes a good player, but there is absolutely no way he will be a perennial .300 hitter.

BWillie · 07-28-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Myers with 2 more home runs today and 4 RBIs. It's a struggle trying not to pay attention, but when the guy is blowing up like this I can't help it.

Everybody keep on telling yourself that was a good trade. Got rid of your best offensive and major league ready prospect and a guy in Odorizzi that would have been in the rotation this yr. 6 years of control for Will Myers. Just renting Shields.

Raiderhater · 07-28-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Everybody keep on telling yourself that was a good trade. Got rid of your best offensive and major league ready prospect and a guy in Odorizzi that would have been in the rotation this yr. 6 years of control for Will Myers. Just renting Shields.

And none of us would be talking about the Royals right now because we would be so far out of it as usual due to no pitching.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Everybody keep on telling yourself that was a good trade. Got rid of your best offensive and major league ready prospect and a guy in Odorizzi that would have been in the rotation this yr. 6 years of control for Will Myers. Just renting Shields.

Odorizzi in the rotation this year?

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader

And none of us would be talking about the Royals right now because we would be so far out of it as usual due to no pitching.

This is simply not true. Before last night's game, Shields and Davies had combined for .3 WAR. Myers was 1 WAR.

So Myers + 2 RLP = better than where we're at now.

BWillie · 07-28-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Odorizzi in the rotation this year?

Hes worse than Davis? ......OK

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Hes worse than Davis? ......OK

Yes, i think he is.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Yes, i think he is.

No.
****ing.
Way.
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MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

No.
****ing.
Way.
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Are you kidding me? Odorizzi's been slapped around routinely in the majors. At least Davis has had some success at this level.

**DeezNutz** · 07-28-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Are you kidding me? Odorizzi's been slapped around routinely in the majors. At least Davis has had some success at this level.

Routinely? He's pitched 18 innings this year.

MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Routinely? He's pitched 18 innings this year.

Last year? He got lit up for the Royals damn near every time he pitched.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:12 PM

How many innings has he pitched in the majors?

25?

Yeah he's routinely been slapped around
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**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MeatRock

Last year? He got lit up for the Royals damn near every time he pitched.

In seven innings?

Seven.
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MeatRock · 07-28-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

In seven innings?

Seven.
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I don't give a **** how many innings he has pitched. When he has, he has not been better than Davis. Period.

**SAUTO** · 07-28-2013, 03:14 PM

Point one
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