Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 570

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**ChiTown** · 08-01-2013, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 12m
#Royals vs. Minn LHP Diamond: Gordon 7, Hosmer 3, Butler DH, Perez 2, Cain 8, Tejada 4, Moustakas 5, Maxwell 9, Escobar 6 and Shields 1.

Cain back in the lineup, no word yet on the move to add Maxwell to the roster.

Gotta be Getzy

duncan_idaho · 08-01-2013, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is the kind of thing that annoys be about sportswriting.

What exactly is Kyle Smith if not a low-level pitching prospect? Why is Pineyro the throwaway line whereas Smith is a huge loss?

Smith is a 20 yr old kid that's pitching well in high A right now. Pineyro is 21 yr old kid that is also pitching well in high A right now, but actually has a little size and projectability.

The Nationals gave up a guy that's very very similar to Smith, but with fewer innings under his belt at high A. And Hairston is older, more expensive and under team control for less time. He's also not the defender that Maxwell is.

I'm not saying that this justifies the Royals move but what I am saying is that the market for a legitimate plus defensive OFer and lefty mauler was much higher than this author suggests. Sure, guys like that would ideally be found in FA, but that didn't happen so now you have to actually give up something to get one.

It's just a silly article. Should Moore have made the move at all? Well that's a fair question - are the Royals really a platoon RFer away from challenging for the division/WC? But did Moore truly overpay? No, he really didn't.

Cameron is really, really annoying. Just comes off like an ass pretty much every time he starts typing.

Tytanium · 08-01-2013, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Gotta be Getzy

Dutton just tweeted Getz to DL.

**ChiTown** · 08-01-2013, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tytanium

Dutton just tweeted Getz to DL.

I think that's a strong indication that the Royals plan to ride Tejada for the next 2+ months, and spell him with EJ when necessary. I'm good with that.

SPchief · 08-01-2013, 09:46 AM

We're pretty much gonna find out how much tejada has left in his tank

mr. tegu · 08-01-2013, 09:52 AM

I don't really like Lough out of the lineup.

**ChiTown** · 08-01-2013, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I don't really like Lough out of the lineup.

Yep. Lough's splits are about even on the Right-handed/Left-Handed pitching match-ups. Dyson is the one who is awful against Lefties, and so is Cain for that matter.

sedated · 08-01-2013, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I don't really like Lough out of the lineup.

Ditto.

Batting 5th, hitting over .300, the day after getting 3 hits, and he is benched for someone who bats .250 and is put in the 8 hole, just to justify a trade.

**ChiTown** · 08-01-2013, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

Ditto.

Batting 5th, hitting over .300, the day after getting 3 hits, and he is benched for someone who bats .250 and is put in the 8 hole, just to justify a trade.

Does anyone know if Lough can play Center? Thought there is to keep Lough in lineup everyday, if possible. Put Maxwell in the lineup in RF against Lefties, and Lough in CF. Put a combo of Cain and Dyson in CF against Righties with Lough in RF

Archie F. Swin · 08-01-2013, 10:15 AM

kinda pointless to talk line ups with lead head Ned at the helm

nychief · 08-01-2013, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Does anyone know if Lough can play Center? Thought there is to keep Lough in lineup everyday, if possible. Put Maxwell in the lineup in RF against Lefties, and Lough in CF. Put a combo of Cain and Dyson in CF against Righties with Lough in RF

he can - but not at the level of dyson or cain.

nychief · 08-01-2013, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

Ditto.

Batting 5th, hitting over .300, the day after getting 3 hits, and he is benched for someone who bats .250 and is put in the 8 hole, just to justify a trade.

they are just playing with the new toy... lough will get his abs.

WhawhaWhat · 08-01-2013, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

Ditto.

Batting 5th, hitting over .300, the day after getting 3 hits, and he is benched for someone who bats .250 and is put in the 8 hole, just to justify a trade.

He was brought in to bat against left handers, Scott Diamond is left handed. They don't have a day off until Aug 19 so everyone is going to get a day off here and there.

**DeezNutz** · 08-01-2013, 10:26 AM

Maxwell is a career .370 OB .455 slug against lefties, so it's not ridiculous to play him instead of Lough. Now, the wisdom or need to acquire Maxwell in the first place...? Yeah, those are legitimate questions.

Mr. Laz · 08-01-2013, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Bob Dutton ‏@Royals_Report 12m
#Royals vs. Minn LHP Diamond: Gordon 7, Hosmer 3, Butler DH, Perez 2, Cain 8, Tejada 4, Moustakas 5, Maxwell 9, Escobar 6 and Shields 1.

Cain back in the lineup, no word yet on the move to add Maxwell to the roster.

i knew these stupid muther ****ers would pulled Lough

I want Moore and Yost fired

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1899692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
Posts: 22,323

08-01-2013, 09:46 AM	#8540
SPchief In Search of a Life Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $-1707095	We're pretty much gonna find out how much tejada has left in his tank __________________ Check out SPchief's fundraising page for Special Olympics Missouri - https://support.somo.org/fundraiser/5957339 ^^^^^^^^^^ Click here to help with a special cause. Please help me out
Posts: 36,177

08-01-2013, 09:52 AM	#8541
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $-1668700	I don't really like Lough out of the lineup.
Posts: 26,459

08-01-2013, 10:15 AM	#8545
Archie F. Swin This is the way Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Casino cash: $9975673	kinda pointless to talk line ups with lead head Ned at the helm __________________ "No Two People Will Do It The Same, You got It Down...When You Appear to Be In Pain!"
Posts: 11,800