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Old 01-02-2018, 05:51 PM  
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Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
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Ozuna LF
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Molina C
Dejong SS
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:24 PM   #196
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Can we now list the other examples where the Cardinals chose not to go be the highest bidder? I'm gonna say that list is bigger than 2.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:26 PM   #197
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I'm skeptical.
Be skeptical, then. Your choice to ignore the facts in front of you. They've made the best offer to 2 of the biggest named players available in 3 years and both said no to a perennial playoff team.
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Can we now list the other examples where the Cardinals chose not to go be the highest bidder? I'm gonna say that list is bigger than 2.
Name the ones you regret them missing out on, in hindsight.

Pujols?

Heyward?

I'm not a Cardinals fan so you can help out a little here, I'm assuming.
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Be skeptical, then. Your choice to ignore the facts in front of you. They've made the best offer to 2 of the biggest named players available in 3 years and both said no to a perennial playoff team.
I'm gonna say we need more than 2 instances to determine if this is a trend but carry on.

Especially when we have the amount of situations that have gone the other way in the past however many years we wanna set.
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Name the ones you regret them missing out on, in hindsight.

Pujols?

Heyward?

I'm not a Cardinals fan so you can help out a little here, I'm assuming.
Regret them missing out on?

They had David Price all wrapped up and the Sox came in at the last minute with a bigger deal and the Cards chose not to go there.

The dude that pitched at MU and was basically a home grown kid that they didn't wanna overspend on would be another.

The Pujols thing is what it is. I'd have preferred to have kept him, but once the amount of money came in there, it was done.
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Also the organizations ability to celebrate "coming in 2nd" in terms of free agent deals is probably a pretty damning fact in my mind.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:36 PM   #202
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He's already getting paid. They had the best offer on the table for him and the Marlins preferred to send him to StL, but the guy in control, much like a free agent, said no.

Are you really this obtuse?
I honestly feel like Matheny is not a guy people want to play for. He's a terrible in game manager and he has the reputation of picking clubhouse favorites.
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Regret them missing out on?

They had David Price all wrapped up and the Sox came in at the last minute with a bigger deal and the Cards chose not to go there.

The dude that pitched at MU and was basically a home grown kid that they didn't wanna overspend on would be another.

The Pujols thing is what it is. I'd have preferred to have kept him, but once the amount of money came in there, it was done.
So you regret them coming in 2nd on the bidding for a guy who signed a $200M contract and is now in the bullpen? Ok...

Good to see you brought a real strong argument to the table.
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So you regret them coming in 2nd on the bidding for a guy who signed a $200M contract and is now in the bullpen? Ok...

Good to see you brought a real strong argument to the table.
True, but he also would have been in the national league and possibly played out differently as the Sox rode him in the ground IIRC, and he pitched a crazy amount of innings.

But I also don't really know how strong of an argument the Heyward one is when he's clearly shown to have been over paid and not worth the contract. Looks like everyone dropped the ball there.
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It's a hell of a lot better than an argument from a Cardinals fan saying they don't try and can't name a single player they came in 2nd on that doesn't look like an albatross today.
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I'm to lazy to look up the many examples we've had the last couple years where we'eve been fed "we tried, just came up short, gotta keep the powder dry" so ok.


And sure they try. The try just hard enough to appear they try hard.
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Couple of the international signings come to mind as well where they didn't want to "overspend"
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But I guess I shouldn't be too upset over it when the last couple big free agent spends they had were Mike Leake and Fowler.
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That's not enough. They don't even have a 3 hole hitter.
today l saw our new 2019 SS and #3 hitter hit a grand slam. Just need to pay him $300 million. Overpay, get in first. We have the money to overpay.
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It's a hell of a lot better than an argument from a Cardinals fan saying they don't try and can't name a single player they came in 2nd on that doesn't look like an albatross today.
glad we came in 2nd with Pujols, Hayward and Price.
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