2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Not everyone.

Just everyone with an insane Q rating and guys like Harper have that.

For just about anyone else I'd tell them to go anyplace BUT New York. The pressure isn't worth it unless the ancillary benefits of being some sort of Prince of Gotham outweigh it.

Giancarlo Stanton ****ed up, IMO. He's not a spotlight player and he's not a guy who gets enough out of the NY exposure to offset the ridiculous pressure. Harper, OTOH, would. So would Trout. The Astros have guys like Correa and Altuve who are absurdly personable who might.

We're talking about rarified air here - incredible players who peg the meter on the ol' Q rating scale. There aren't many of those. For everyone else, I'd say take the biggest check and the least pressure.

With this season being what it has been, are we sure Bryce can handle it?

[The Franchise]

So this is what the Dodgers are going to do this season? ****ing joy. So glad we traded for Machado and Dozier.

[O.city]

Also, off subject, but i'm gonna vent a little.

Why is it so god damn hard to go to the dentist, open your mouth and be still? Don't try to lick the drill, that's not gonna turn out well, ask me how I know.

Like holy shit it's a ****ing nightmare. Sit there, hold your tongue still and just be calm. Everyone is a ****ing dental phobic because you had a bad experience when you were 12. Ok, that sucks, but you're 45 now and you have an abscessed tooth that's blown up because you wouldn't go to the dentist and I have to fix it. It's time to grow up.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also, off subject, but i'm gonna vent a little.

Why is it so god damn hard to go to the dentist, open your mouth and be still? Don't try to lick the drill, that's not gonna turn out well, ask me how I know.

Like holy shit it's a ****ing nightmare. Sit there, hold your tongue still and just be calm. Everyone is a ****ing dental phobic because you had a bad experience when you were 12. Ok, that sucks, but you're 45 now and you have an abscessed tooth that's blown up because you wouldn't go to the dentist and I have to fix it. It's time to grow up.

Do you offer sedation? I've yet to try it but my niece gets it all the time for that very reason.

[kcpasco]

I don’t know why when I get my teeth cleaned the nice dental hygienist lady tries and make small talk. I can’t talk when you have all that crap in my mouth.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Pest

Do you offer sedation? I've yet to try it but my niece gets it all the time for that very reason.

I'll give you some sedative, but honestly, unless it's legit conscious sedation, it makes it worse. I don't wanna deal with giving you some valium and you having to feel your way down the ****ing hallway to the operatory.

And I don't do conscious sedation because I'm not dealing with all that headache.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'll give you some sedative, but honestly, unless it's legit conscious sedation, it makes it worse. I don't wanna deal with giving you some valium and you having to feel your way down the ****ing hallway to the operatory.

And I don't do conscious sedation because I'm not dealing with all that headache.

What's the headache with it? Is it the fact that now that person needs someone to take them home? Plus the time necessary to deal with them coming out of it? Or are we talking insurance headaches?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Pest

What's the headache with it? Is it the fact that now that person needs someone to take them home? Plus the time necessary to deal with them coming out of it? Or are we talking insurance headaches?

The extra couple hundred thousand in malpractice, the extra 50k in equipment, the actual sedative that I have to keep under lock and key, and the myriad of other shit.

It's nice if you can do it. It's a pain, but it's a great service for the Pt. But I'm not doing sedation to do a filling. Full mouth rehab or something surgical, fine.

But as the dentist if I do sedation, I have to monitor pts vitals and do the dentistry. If the pt is young and healthy it's not an issue, but most people that want that service aren't the most healthy.

[Marco Polo]

Okay guys, you are losing me. Back to baseball.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

For some guys, sure.

For marketable personalities? I'm not so certain of that.

Look at it this way - Mike Trout would dwarf Derek Jeter had he come up as a Yankee. There'd be no way of escaping him. He'd be on every commercial during every sporting event you'd ever see.

Instead he's doing ensemble spots for Subway because he's on the west coast and nobody ever sees him.

If you're Bryce Harper and the Cardinals offer you 10/$350 while the Yankees offer you 10/$275 - I honestly think you take the Yankees offer because you'll make that money and then some through mere exposure. It won't end when you retire either - it'll just keep rolling in as you become a Yankee 'ambassador'. There's a significant financial HoF bump as well (can't remember the figures, but they ain't small) and Harper would get a nice little Yankee Kicker from the sportswriters there. I think if NYY gets anywhere in the ballpark, Harper'd be nuts not to take it.

As for Machado - I think he's perhaps not as outgoing as Harper and may just want to get his money on the field. Well the Phillies will oblige him. Besides - y'all just saw the same series I did; you still excited about him? In the middle of a must-win series he was taking plays off out there. And while I won't accuse him of being largely apathetic, I'd say 'flat affect' accurately describes his countenance in that series.

I'd say eliminating Shildt made a difference and a huge one at that, but only because it took our chances of getting one of those guys from 0% to 1%. I mean from a percentage standpoint that's like, infinity times more likely.

It's like playing powerball - the only ticket that appreciably changes your odds is the first one. From that point forward you could by 100 of the damn things and your odds are still so infinitesimally small that it mathematically you haven't made a dent. That's what we're looking at here.

The only realistic chance they had at a big-ticket guy like that was to trade for him, sell him on the experience and maybe they win in FA. You can't get big money vets to do the trade/sign model anymore (Rolen/Edmonds approach) but you can at least take the Holliday model, give them a chance to appreciate the organization from the inside and then effectively offer to match any bidders.

I agree, there is not a chance in hell of us winning against the Yankees in a FA pursuit. That said.........
We are not the Angels level of TV desert. We are on national TV the maximum allowed times every year because we get better ratings than other teams. Even when we sucked bad, they still put us on TV.

I think Harper can still get his national commercials playing for us. Obviously, not like NY, but still get his share of them.

Harper seems to me that he wants to win. Plays hard. Now, he would fit right in here with our past and finally current culture. He thinks Washington fans are great? He was here recently when a new guy in the OF got a standing ovation for a catch in the OF. He saw the fans into the game. Maybe..just maybe... a fan can hope....

I'm scared off of Manny now. He plays 3B he is a big time difference maker. SS he is okay. He is going to insist being the SS. He is extremely talented but he does take plays off. That fire isn't the same as Harper. I'm afraid that a 10 contract will hamstring us in 5 years. At least with Harper we can get 7 years out of him before the decline.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also, off subject, but i'm gonna vent a little.

Why is it so god damn hard to go to the dentist, open your mouth and be still? Don't try to lick the drill, that's not gonna turn out well, ask me how I know.

Like holy shit it's a ****ing nightmare. Sit there, hold your tongue still and just be calm. Everyone is a ****ing dental phobic because you had a bad experience when you were 12. Ok, that sucks, but you're 45 now and you have an abscessed tooth that's blown up because you wouldn't go to the dentist and I have to fix it. It's time to grow up.

You use that little sonic water pick scraper thing instead of the metal torture instruments and I'm much more affable.

But **** me, when the hygienist gets her mini pick-ax out, I can't get out of there without a migraine. People aren't dental-phobic because of when they were 12 (I had no problems with dentists at all as a kid), they have them because in their 30s they walk out of there with a headache, sore gums and a metallic taste in their mouth.

"Well if you'd just floss...." Oh **** off, ain't nobody got time for that. I have a soniccare and brush twice a day - use a tool that hasn't been around since it was used to disembowel uppity serfs during the time of the bubonic plague and we'll call it a draw.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm scared off of Manny now. He plays 3B he is a big time difference maker. SS he is okay. He is going to insist being the SS. He is extremely talented but he does take plays off. That fire isn't the same as Harper. I'm afraid that a 10 contract will hamstring us in 5 years. At least with Harper we can get 7 years out of him before the decline.

Which was my main point when we had the Manny v. Harper discussion a month ago. That and the LH bat.

To me it's not even a close question. I'd take Harper in a landslide over Machado and I like Machado. I put him on my list of a dozen or so guys that I'd pay to watch play back when he was a 3b. He's a genuinely exciting young talent...when he wants to be.

I love watching him play for other teams because when he jakes a play, that's not a scoreboard I particularly care about. But on the team I root for it's just a night and day difference between him and Harper.

But hey - if people want to keep running the 'clown question, bro' clip from when he was a teenager over a half a decade ago, I guess that's their prerogative. But they're missing a damn fun player.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You use that little sonic water pick scraper thing instead of the metal torture instruments and I'm much more affable.

But **** me, when the hygienist gets her mini pick-ax out, I can't get out of there without a migraine. People aren't dental-phobic because of when they were 12 (I had no problems with dentists at all as a kid), they have them because in their 30s they walk out of there with a headache, sore gums and a metallic taste in their mouth.

"Well if you'd just floss...." Oh **** off, ain't nobody got time for that. I have a soniccare and brush twice a day - use a tool that hasn't been around since it was used to disembowel uppity serfs during the time of the bubonic plague and we'll call it a draw.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh1NlpWl...=1pezak40akpbd

You try getting this shit off with something soft it’s gonna be a long day

Sounds like a rough hygienist tho

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You use that little sonic water pick scraper thing instead of the metal torture instruments and I'm much more affable.

But **** me, when the hygienist gets her mini pick-ax out, I can't get out of there without a migraine. People aren't dental-phobic because of when they were 12 (I had no problems with dentists at all as a kid), they have them because in their 30s they walk out of there with a headache, sore gums and a metallic taste in their mouth.

"Well if you'd just floss...." Oh **** off, ain't nobody got time for that. I have a soniccare and brush twice a day - use a tool that hasn't been around since it was used to disembowel uppity serfs during the time of the bubonic plague and we'll call it a draw.

[Frazod]

The Rockies called up Matt Holliday - he'll be on the roster tonight.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...t-in-triple-a/