do we still want Green over Huard? - Page 20

Hootie · 11-05-2006, 03:17 PM

I mean...this Huard guy is playing sensational football.

Great win today boys!

DRU · 11-06-2006, 04:44 PM

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In 1997, Chiefs coach Marty Schottenheimer faced a situation similar to the one Edwards faces in the coming weeks. Elvis Grbac was the starting quarterback that season, but he suffered a broken collarbone. Rich Gannon came off the bench and won games. The Chiefs finished 13-3 and secured homefield advantage, but Schottenheimer went back to Grbac, and the result was disastrous.

Way to pick out the part of the article that you want people to see. The article goes on to explain how Gannon was such a leader on the field and demanded things from his players. It talks about how Grbac could throw a good ball but was never really a leader. There wasn't anything near even half/half that wanted to put Grbac back in the game. Everybody wanted Gannon.

Green has been a true leader of this team for 5 straight years. Comparing this situation to Grbac/Gannon does not work IMO.

DRU · 11-06-2006, 04:46 PM

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However, we can also see a very big decrease in production...which is why I say it isn't worth the risk.

What makes you say this? He's played less than 1 full game under Herm and because we lost it you say the production will likely drop?? I really don't understand that.

Hammock Parties · 11-06-2006, 04:48 PM

I don't think it's a guarantee that the production would drop, but there's no way to know what will happen. It's a risk, IMO.

DRU · 11-06-2006, 04:56 PM

I never thought I'd see the day when people would say that putting the 2nd best QB in the league for 4 years would be a risk. Just goes to show ya how spoiled we've been as Chiefs fans on the offensive side of the ball since the 90's ended.

Raiderhater · 11-06-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

he had the ball against the Pats with time on the clock and we turned the ball over, 4 and out I think...

WE'RE NOT ARGUING HE HAD GREAT STATS IN 2004, I'm saying, in each of those games, we had 4th quarter leads, and I remember several times Green flat out not getting it done on that final possession.

We were supposedly the team that could score every time we had the football...but as soon as we were in a must pass situation, we were no longer very scary...

Our offense, and Green, benifited greatly from having such a potent running game.

Wow, the things some of you post. You want to lay that at the feet of Green? Sure, in some of those situations he fucked up, he's human like the rest of us. But more often than not you can lay the blame on our WR corps. Remember ALL of the drops? Shit, how Green managed to be second only to Manning in passing yards the past 3-4 seasons when his best reciever was his friggen TE is way the hell beyond me (and God bless Tony, but he's had his fair share of drops as well). Hell, Green most likely would have surpassed Manning if our WRs had held onto only half of the balls they dropped.

Our weakness at the WR position has been well lamented over the years, but now you want to start laying blame at the feet of the guy least deserving of it in favor of keeping him on the bench? Some of you people are so fickle it's disgusting. It's been said before, and is being proven true now; Kansas City fans are very hard on their QBs.

htismaqe · 11-06-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I don't think it's a guarantee that the production would drop, but there's no way to know what will happen. It's a risk, IMO.

There's also no way to know what would happen against a real team, with a real defense, on the road, in the playoffs with Huard at the helm of an obviously neutered offense...

Hootie · 11-06-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

There's also no way to know what would happen against a real team, with a real defense, on the road, in the playoffs with Huard at the helm of an obviously neutered offense...

neutered offense?!

We've put up 30, 35, 31 in the last three weeks...

WHEN GREEN COMES BACK ARE WE EXPECTING 50 PER?!

htismaqe · 11-06-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

neutered offense?!

We've put up 30, 35, 31 in the last three weeks...

WHEN GREEN COMES BACK ARE WE EXPECTING 50 PER?!

I guess I watched the wrong game. I missed the games where Damon Huard SINGLE-HANDEDLY scored all those points.

You've become a pathetic (so pathetic it's no longer entertaining) parody of yourself.

DRU · 11-06-2006, 05:08 PM

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We've put up 30, 35, 31 in the last three weeks...

What about when we face a team that can stop the run and we have to throw more than 15 times? A team that can put 8 in the box and still have good coverage down field because Huard only gets 2 options? that's where the neutered offense part comes into play. It's not the same offense we've run so many years now, but it's working because of a great running back who can gain yards even when people do focus on him.

Games will get nothing but tougher from here on out and when we start meeting good run defenses the entire scenario will change.

Hootie · 11-06-2006, 05:08 PM

Oh.

I mean...I'm the one saying our offense is neutered yet we're putting up A TON OF POINTS like we always have.

When has Trent Green SINGLE-HANDEDLY scored all of our points!?

We've always been a running team...Green had a whopping 17 TD's last year...

Hootie · 11-06-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DRU

What about when we face a team that can stop the run and we have to throw more than 15 times? A team that can put 8 in the box and still have good coverage down field because Huard only gets 2 options? that's where the neutered offense part comes into play. It's not the same offense we've run so many years now, but it's working because of a great running back who can gain yards even when people do focus on him.

Games will get nothing but tougher from here on out and when we start meeting good run defenses the entire scenario will change.

Arizona?

Huard threw 38 times for 280 yards and 2 TD's...

Did you forget about that game?

The game where LJ had 36 rushing yards...

Or maybe the San Diego game where Huard threw for 319 yards...forget about that game, too?!

htismaqe · 11-06-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Oh.

I mean...I'm the one saying our offense is neutered yet we're putting up A TON OF POINTS like we always have.

When has Trent Green SINGLE-HANDEDLY scored all of our points!?

We've always been a running team...Green had a whopping 17 TD's last year...

I'm really trying to cut you some slack here, but it's obvious to me you don't have any idea what you're watching.

Huard has one deep route in his repertoire - the fade. He forces the ball to Gonzo. And he progresses beyond his 2nd read maybe once or twice a game. There are plays that aren't being run simply because he's in there. People that know football can see it.

The results you speak of have to do with EXECUTION, and Huard has done a great job of doing what he's been asked to do. It is a fact, however, that they're not asking him to do as much as they have asked Green to do in the past.

Hootie · 11-06-2006, 05:13 PM

well I can't wait for TG to try to progress beyond his 2nd read...he'll be laying flat-faced on the turf. Huard is pressured almost ever time he passes the ball...and I'm glad we finally have a QB that forces the ball to Gonzo...why the **** do we have such a force if we don't use him!?

htismaqe · 11-06-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Arizona?

Huard threw 38 times for 280 yards and 2 TD's...

Did you forget about that game?

The game where LJ had 36 rushing yards...

Or maybe the San Diego game where Huard threw for 319 yards...forget about that game, too?!

You mean the Arizona game where Larry Johnson, who incidentally is NUMBER ONE IN THE LEAGUE IN YARDS AFTER CATCH, had 6 catches for 101 yards including a Huard dump-off that he converted into a 78-yard gain?

Or the San Diego game, where Tony Gonzales caught a 10-yard pass over the middle and ran for another 47 yards after the catch?

Hootie · 11-06-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You mean the Arizona game where Larry Johnson, who incidentally is NUMBER ONE IN THE LEAGUE IN YARDS AFTER CATCH, had 6 catches for 101 yards including a Huard dump-off that he converted into a 78-yard gain?

Or the San Diego game, where Tony Gonzales caught a 10-yard pass over the middle and ran for another 47 yards after the catch?

oh, so, when Trent Green plays his receivers don't gets yards after the catch...they just fall down and get in the fetal position.

GOTCHA!

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DRU To the Game Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $6793516	I never thought I'd see the day when people would say that putting the 2nd best QB in the league for 4 years would be a risk. Just goes to show ya how spoiled we've been as Chiefs fans on the offensive side of the ball since the 90's ended.
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11-06-2006, 05:08 PM	#295
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Oh. I mean...I'm the one saying our offense is neutered yet we're putting up A TON OF POINTS like we always have. When has Trent Green SINGLE-HANDEDLY scored all of our points!? We've always been a running team...Green had a whopping 17 TD's last year...
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11-06-2006, 05:13 PM	#298
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well I can't wait for TG to try to progress beyond his 2nd read...he'll be laying flat-faced on the turf. Huard is pressured almost ever time he passes the ball...and I'm glad we finally have a QB that forces the ball to Gonzo...why the **** do we have such a force if we don't use him!?
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