My official endorsement for the 21st overall pick. - Page 3

Coogs · 03-03-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit

Go back and watch the Ravens game...the only guy getting pressure on Flacco was Hali...he had ALL DAY to throw most of the time.

That's why he was able to sit there and look down the field and when no one was open, dump it off comfortably with absolutely no one in his face.

Saw the game. Agree with you totally. NT goes further to fix the problem than 1 OLB.

JMO

Dante84 · 03-03-2011, 11:58 AM

Chiefnj2 · 03-03-2011, 12:01 PM

You'd think that if Jarrett Johnson can cover Moeaki 1on1 all game long and not let him see any daylight, that in time Houston would be able to do the same.

Coogs · 03-03-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You'd think that if Jarrett Johnson can cover Moeaki 1on1 all game long and not let him see any daylight, that in time Houston would be able to do the same.

I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.

Chiefnj2 · 03-03-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.

Your going to go for the guy that was viewed as a 3rd rounder who shot up the board's because of Senior Bowl week?

Coogs · 03-03-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Your going to go for the guy that was viewed as a 3rd rounder who shot up the board's because of Senior Bowl week?

No. I have a thread on what I would do. Trade down for a 1st next year. Get some O-line and a NT without reaching. Maybe even a WR and an OLB too!

Saccopoo · 03-03-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.

Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.

Coogs · 03-03-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.

I agree. We have several holes that need some attention. And we can all argue which one is the biggest need. But for my money the most glaring weakness this past season was the inablility to convert on 3rd/4th and short, and most of the time not even come close when we ran the ball.

Again, JMO.

Direckshun · 03-03-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.

Buddy, we're CHIEFS FANS.

The best teams we've fielded in the past 25 years have fit your philosophy. And they do shit in the playoffs because they can't open the game up effectively and they can't get to the opposing QB.

Period. Clay's right, virtually every Super Bowl proves this.

You must be able to open the game up on offense, and you must be able to get to the opposing QB.

Saccopoo · 03-04-2011, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Buddy, we're CHIEFS FANS.

The best teams we've fielded in the past 25 years have fit your philosophy. And they do shit in the playoffs because they can't open the game up effectively and they can't get to the opposing QB.

Period. Clay's right, virtually every Super Bowl proves this.

You must be able to open the game up on offense, and you must be able to get to the opposing QB.

Vermiel's teams could certainly open it up offensively, and Marty's teams could most definitely get to the quarterback. (And there were a couple of Marty teams that could also open it up offensively.)

And as I stated, the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacking the opposing quarterback. That's not sucking. Thats being in the top 1/3 of the entire league.

However, I don't think that sacking the opposing quarterback should be the sole determining factor in measuring potential success of a team. The Steelers and the Packers were the two best teams in terms of sacking the quarterback in 2010. Both ended up in the Super Bowl. However, the rest of the top ten teams in sacking the quarterback didn't fare so well in terms of playoff success:

1. Pittsburgh Steelers
2. Green Bay Packers
2. Oakland Raiders
2. San Diego Chargers
5. New York Giants
6. Detroit Lions
7. St. Louis Rams
8. New York Jets
8. Tennessee Titans
10. Kansas City Chiefs

Only four of those teams were in the playoffs, one of them being Kansas City.

I'm not saying sacks are bad. I'm just saying that they aren't the end all, be all in determining a playoff team. And that Kansas City wasn't that bad at getting to the quarterback in 2010.

While their pass rush could be better, it's not bad at all and in the top 1/3 of the NFL. They've got some other areas in which they could improve on, substantially so.

Hammock Parties · 03-03-2011, 04:16 PM

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Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league

What the **** is this shit?

Did you even watch the Super Bowl?

Hell, did you even watch the Chiefs? Charles moved the ball in 10 and 15 yard runs all year long.

This league is about passing and attacking the passer. The Chiefs suck at both and that's why they got assraped in the playoffs. Not because they needed an OT.

****, you sound like Gunther Cunningham.

Nightfyre · 03-03-2011, 07:27 PM

I am kind of hoping we trade back or for picks next year, unless someone of value really plummets.

Chiefnj2 · 03-03-2011, 09:01 PM

At 21 the best available players will likely be:

The CBs from Colorado and Miami - both are really good, but not a huge area of need for KC.

OLB - Houston, Ayers and Kerrigan. IMO Houston has the highest ceiling of the 3. I don't like Ayers at all, he doesn't excel at anything. I'd take Kerrigan over Ayers.

Tackle - Carimi, could be a pro bowl RT. Solder could fall, if the kid from USC is taken first.

WR - Baldwin, Smith & Hankerson. All are options, but probably have a lower floor than the LB's and Tackles.

NT - Taylor is the only 1st round option. I personally don't like the idea of taking someone in the first who didn't play like a first rounder in college.

DE - likely some decent value, but it's a year too early to give up on TJax. If Jordan were to slide, I'd be tempted though.

Direckshun · 03-03-2011, 09:17 PM

Ah, okay. So it's not that we disagree so much as you're telling me what I already know.

My OP: "The Chiefs won't pick that guy, but this is who I want."

MM: "Chiefs aren't going to pick that guy."

Thanks for that.

milkman · 03-03-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ah, okay. So it's not that we disagree so much as you're telling me what I already know.

My OP: "The Chiefs won't pick that guy, but this is who I want."

MM: "Chiefs aren't going to pick that guy."

Thanks for that.

Your arguing what you want to do.

I'm telling you that I don't give a rat's ass what you want to do.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	At 21 the best available players will likely be: The CBs from Colorado and Miami - both are really good, but not a huge area of need for KC. OLB - Houston, Ayers and Kerrigan. IMO Houston has the highest ceiling of the 3. I don't like Ayers at all, he doesn't excel at anything. I'd take Kerrigan over Ayers. Tackle - Carimi, could be a pro bowl RT. Solder could fall, if the kid from USC is taken first. WR - Baldwin, Smith & Hankerson. All are options, but probably have a lower floor than the LB's and Tackles. NT - Taylor is the only 1st round option. I personally don't like the idea of taking someone in the first who didn't play like a first rounder in college. DE - likely some decent value, but it's a year too early to give up on TJax. If Jordan were to slide, I'd be tempted though. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Ah, okay. So it's not that we disagree so much as you're telling me what I already know. My OP: "The Chiefs won't pick that guy, but this is who I want." MM: "Chiefs aren't going to pick that guy." Thanks for that.
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