My official endorsement for the 21st overall pick. - Page 7

Direckshun · 03-02-2011, 02:43 PM

Barring any bombshells, we pretty much know what we have in most of these prospects. There will be countless clues as to who and what the teams and GMs like in the prospect field over the next two months, but ultimately, the players have spoken.

Some Pro Days are going to fiddle with the rankings, but by and large we aren’t going to be terribly surprised by anybody.

My selection for the Chiefs at #21 is based on the prospect’s talent, the nature of his position, our team, and this draft. My great enthusiasm for this player is matched by my certainty that this player will not be selected by the Chiefs.

With the 21st pick in the NFL Draft, the Chiefs should select OLB Justin Houston, Georgia.

Talent

Justin Houston is a bolt off the edge. Before he gained his recent weight (in which it did not look like fat…), he showed great anticipation of the snapcount and was pure lightning off the edge. That speed, and that anticipation, are nigh impossible to actually “teach” a player. The versatility he will need to develop will come as he has added strength and 35” arms with which he can master any number of techniques. In other words, he comes pretty well prepared to blow stuff up in opposing backfields, while still having massive room for growth.

Houston is also what Herm Edwards would call a “football player” in the vein of Tamba Hali and Glenn Dorsey: the man plays with tons of fire and willingly throws his body into blocks for teammates and plays the run passionately. This is no Dwight Freeney – this guy gets off on running backs just as much as quarterbacks. And with his added bulk, that will only add to his ability in that department.

Houston has the look of somebody who can put up double-digit sacks in the NFL. I don’t claim he is the best prospect – I’m iffy on Bowers but I’d take Ryan Kerrigan in a heartbeat – but with the decent-enough depth at pass-rusher in the first round, it’s likely that Houston can fall to us.

His biggest setback at this point is his added bulk. The 270 he weighs now looks a lot more like a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB body-type. But even with the bulk, his speed is still very solid (4.6 at the Combine, he plays like a 4.5 on the field…). And he features a vertical that most receivers in this class lack. I think this translates into a player who can drop into coverage.

The OLB Position

Passrushing is the toughest job to do on the football field other than playing the QB position. It requires a specific set of physical skills and a never-say-die attitude that will be challenged hundreds of times throughout a season. Your strongest muscle must be your heart.

Because of the difficulty of the position, it takes passrushers about as long as it takes quarterbacks to adjust to the league and play up to their potential. If you’re going to be in a rebuilding process, which despite their 2010 record, the Chiefs definitely are, you should go early and often with passrushers in the draft in the hopes of having a ferocious passrush in a couple years when you’re ready to contend for a title.

Passrushers are also a lot like quarterbacks in that it is extremely rare that your true sack artists come from any round other than the 1st. The other positions Chiefs fans are debating this offseason for the first pick—reciever, nose tackle, offensive line—can be had in later rounds with less of a drop off. But passrushers in the first are the most likely to thrive, and it’s not even close.

The Kansas City Chiefs

I believe in Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson. Dorsey is now playing like a franchise defensive lineman, and Jackson came on incredibly strong in the last four games of the season – as well as the first game of the season. In other words, games in which he was playing close to 100% healthy. If this guy stays healthy, I bet he’s a gamer.

These are two indispensible puzzle pieces for this team given the high picks we invested in them. But neither one is a great passrusher. Neither one of them is much of a passrusher, matter of fact. Our defensive line only features one good passrusher (Wallace Gilberry) and another guy (Ron Edwards) who is guaranteed three sacks a season. (Shaun Smith, meanwhile, is the worst passrusher we have on the DL.)

Under normal circumstances, we could just upgrade the ends with passrushers, but the Chiefs are in an extraordinary circumstance with what we’ve invested in ours. Dorsey and Jackson need to not only be our defensive ends going forward, they need to play the overwhelming majority of snaps. Upgrading the defensive end position basically negates the value we spent on those players.

So a passrush will need to be manufactured in other positions – namely, the position that’s actually designed to be a pure passrusher in a 3-4: the outside linebacker. Tamba Hali is a player that offenses have to single-mindedly focus on to keep their backfields clean. With Justin Houston developing, offenses would have to go more conservative to ward off both edges.

A great passrusher would make everything on this defense better. The secondary would be under less pressure. Other players on the DL (namely Dorsey) would face less focus, and would be freer to operate which in turn would almost completely free up Derrick Johnson and our ILBs. In short, as important as a nose tackle is, one more great passrusher would vault this defense deep into the Top 10.

The 2011 Draft

Like all drafts, this is a draft that has more than a few quality receiver prospects in the early-to-mid rounds. Phil Taylor may be a reach at #21 anyway, so better to get some value later on for the nose. And I am under the belief that our current offensive line (Albert, Waters, Wiegmann assuming he returns, Lilja, and Richardson with Asamoah, Niswanger, and O’Callaghan in the wings) could use some depth, but can hold together for another season while we invest in other positions that are more difficult to develop. It’s hard to complain about an OL that paved the way for two 900+ yard rushers.

Bewbies · 03-07-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bad argument.

In 2010, the Chiefs took a safety with a top five pick, and in the second round we took a punt returner/slot receiver and a kick returner/nickel package defensive back.

Those are hardly considered high positional value slots for a team that was coming off a four win season with a lot of other needs at more "valuable" positions.

I'm with Milkman, one cannot find the word that properly describes what a ****in moron you are.

Chiefnj2 · 03-07-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

They were also in the AFC Championship game that year. They're not a building team anymore....

They also had bigger "needs" like generating a pass rush. Somewhat similar to KC.

Saccopoo · 03-07-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

I'm with Milkman, one cannot find the word that properly describes what a ****in moron you are.

Wow. What a great point to make in the discussion. You must have been the captain of your high school debate team.

You were the ****ing moron who said that the Jets had the luxury of picking a CB in the first round because they weren't in a rebuilding mode, thus had the capability of taking a guy on a BPA viewpoint versus need. (Or you implied that...you constantly fail to provide any detail in any of your posts. You do like to throw out a lot of personal insults and use smilies in almost every post though. Quality contributor.)

I simply pointed out that the Chiefs, who, coming off a four win season, should have been in a "rebuild" mode that usually consists of bettering the core positions such as offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, etc., instead went with positions that are usually considered luxury picks once you have built the team into a playoff contender, and based on that recent history, a cornerback or defensive end wouldn't necessarily be out of the realm of possibility.

So, besides being a world class idiot, you are also a ****ing moronic hypocrite. Go suck a dick you flaming asswart.

keg in kc · 03-07-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They also had bigger "needs" like generating a pass rush. Somewhat similar to KC.

There was also a $$$ message being sent as I recall, similar to KC drafting LJ.

I don't think the Jets (or KC) put the value on pass rushers that we do. I'd actually be surprised to see us take one.

Hammock Parties · 03-07-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

and in the second round we took a punt returner/slot receiver and a kick returner/nickel package defensive back.

We drafted those positions because our GM is a colossal moron.

Bewbies · 03-07-2011, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Wow. What a great point to make in the discussion. You must have been the captain of your high school debate team.

You were the ****ing moron who said that the Jets had the luxury of picking a CB in the first round because they weren't in a rebuilding mode, thus had the capability of taking a guy on a BPA viewpoint versus need. (Or you implied that...you constantly fail to provide any detail in any of your posts. You do like to throw out a lot of personal insults and use smilies in almost every post though. Quality contributor.)

I simply pointed out that the Chiefs, who, coming off a four win season, should have been in a "rebuild" mode that usually consists of bettering the core positions such as offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, etc., instead went with positions that are usually considered luxury picks once you have built the team into a playoff contender, and based on that recent history, a cornerback or defensive end wouldn't necessarily be out of the realm of possibility.

So, besides being a world class idiot, you are also a ****ing moronic hypocrite. Go suck a dick you flaming asswart.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Never mind, yes I do.

Saccopoo · 03-08-2011, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Never mind, yes I do.

Awesome response.

A Boobies typical single sentence response followed by

.

Insight, intelligence, introspection...

You are the best.

Saccopoo · 03-08-2011, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ClayWhit

We drafted those positions because our GM is a colossal moron.

After the past two drafts, which not only ignored the strengths of the drafts and the weird ass picks themselves, but also cost us valuable picks in trading up for tight ends, as well as the stellar free agent acquisitions, I'm inclined to agree with you C.E.

BryanBusby · 03-08-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

After the past two drafts, which not only ignored the strengths of the drafts and the weird ass picks themselves, but also cost us valuable picks in trading up for tight ends, as well as the stellar free agent acquisitions, I'm inclined to agree with you C.E.

Calling people out and telling them they are ****ing idiots to turn around and make this gem of a post.

lol

Bewbies · 03-08-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Calling people out and telling them they are ****ing idiots to turn around and make this gem of a post.

lol

Obligatory one sentence response followed by a

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Nightfyre · 03-08-2011, 09:30 PM

So I had a new thought: what if we could move up in this draft on the cheap.

Consider, dareus or quinn could fall to 10. Or if gabbert somehow slipped out of the top 5. If I'm the chiefs, I think I try to swing up to7 to 10 where there is significant talent that works within our scheme. After 10, it really drop I think.

Chris Meck · 03-08-2011, 09:50 PM

I think it would be more likely that they'd trade DOWN. I'm not entirely sure that the top tier is really 'top tier'. It kind of seems like a little bit weak at the top.

Saccopoo · 03-08-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think it would be more likely that they'd trade DOWN. I'm not entirely sure that the top tier is really 'top tier'. It kind of seems like a little bit weak at the top.

I don't know...

Von Miller is as good a pass rusher as there has been in the draft in recent years.

Pat Peterson is regarded as one of the best cornerback prospects ever. (And it's a very good and deep cornerback class.)

AJ Green and Julio Jones are elite level receivers.

The defensive ends and defensive tackles are incredibly deep and extremely good.

The guard class, led by Pouncey, Hudson and Wisniewski is deep and talented.

The five top offensive tackles (Solder, Costanzo, Carimi, Smith, Sherrod) are all very solid, experienced players with a high floor.

You've also got huge boom/bust guys in the quarterbacks with Newton, Gabbert, Locker and Mallet all being mentioned as having huge potential.

The nose tackle class is pretty nice as well.

The running backs, safeties and tight ends are relatively weak. However, the Chiefs have those positions covered.

The Chiefs, with the 21st pick can upgrade either offensive tackle spot, either defensive end position, the nose tackle, or add a solid receiver. They are going to have some nice options with that pick that will immediately benefit the team at a core position.

I think it's a pretty nice draft overall.

Direckshun · 05-01-2011, 07:32 PM

Bermp.

Brock · 05-01-2011, 07:39 PM

Hopefully, he's our Woodley.

03-02-2011, 02:43 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	My official endorsement for the 21st overall pick. Barring any bombshells, we pretty much know what we have in most of these prospects. There will be countless clues as to who and what the teams and GMs like in the prospect field over the next two months, but ultimately, the players have spoken. Some Pro Days are going to fiddle with the rankings, but by and large we aren’t going to be terribly surprised by anybody. My selection for the Chiefs at #21 is based on the prospect’s talent, the nature of his position, our team, and this draft. My great enthusiasm for this player is matched by my certainty that this player will not be selected by the Chiefs. With the 21st pick in the NFL Draft, the Chiefs should select OLB Justin Houston, Georgia. Talent Justin Houston is a bolt off the edge. Before he gained his recent weight (in which it did not look like fat…), he showed great anticipation of the snapcount and was pure lightning off the edge. That speed, and that anticipation, are nigh impossible to actually “teach” a player. The versatility he will need to develop will come as he has added strength and 35” arms with which he can master any number of techniques. In other words, he comes pretty well prepared to blow stuff up in opposing backfields, while still having massive room for growth. Houston is also what Herm Edwards would call a “football player” in the vein of Tamba Hali and Glenn Dorsey: the man plays with tons of fire and willingly throws his body into blocks for teammates and plays the run passionately. This is no Dwight Freeney – this guy gets off on running backs just as much as quarterbacks. And with his added bulk, that will only add to his ability in that department. Houston has the look of somebody who can put up double-digit sacks in the NFL. I don’t claim he is the best prospect – I’m iffy on Bowers but I’d take Ryan Kerrigan in a heartbeat – but with the decent-enough depth at pass-rusher in the first round, it’s likely that Houston can fall to us. His biggest setback at this point is his added bulk. The 270 he weighs now looks a lot more like a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB body-type. But even with the bulk, his speed is still very solid (4.6 at the Combine, he plays like a 4.5 on the field…). And he features a vertical that most receivers in this class lack. I think this translates into a player who can drop into coverage. The OLB Position Passrushing is the toughest job to do on the football field other than playing the QB position. It requires a specific set of physical skills and a never-say-die attitude that will be challenged hundreds of times throughout a season. Your strongest muscle must be your heart. Because of the difficulty of the position, it takes passrushers about as long as it takes quarterbacks to adjust to the league and play up to their potential. If you’re going to be in a rebuilding process, which despite their 2010 record, the Chiefs definitely are, you should go early and often with passrushers in the draft in the hopes of having a ferocious passrush in a couple years when you’re ready to contend for a title. Passrushers are also a lot like quarterbacks in that it is extremely rare that your true sack artists come from any round other than the 1st. The other positions Chiefs fans are debating this offseason for the first pick—reciever, nose tackle, offensive line—can be had in later rounds with less of a drop off. But passrushers in the first are the most likely to thrive, and it’s not even close. The Kansas City Chiefs I believe in Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson. Dorsey is now playing like a franchise defensive lineman, and Jackson came on incredibly strong in the last four games of the season – as well as the first game of the season. In other words, games in which he was playing close to 100% healthy. If this guy stays healthy, I bet he’s a gamer. These are two indispensible puzzle pieces for this team given the high picks we invested in them. But neither one is a great passrusher. Neither one of them is much of a passrusher, matter of fact. Our defensive line only features one good passrusher (Wallace Gilberry) and another guy (Ron Edwards) who is guaranteed three sacks a season. (Shaun Smith, meanwhile, is the worst passrusher we have on the DL.) Under normal circumstances, we could just upgrade the ends with passrushers, but the Chiefs are in an extraordinary circumstance with what we’ve invested in ours. Dorsey and Jackson need to not only be our defensive ends going forward, they need to play the overwhelming majority of snaps. Upgrading the defensive end position basically negates the value we spent on those players. So a passrush will need to be manufactured in other positions – namely, the position that’s actually designed to be a pure passrusher in a 3-4: the outside linebacker. Tamba Hali is a player that offenses have to single-mindedly focus on to keep their backfields clean. With Justin Houston developing, offenses would have to go more conservative to ward off both edges. A great passrusher would make everything on this defense better. The secondary would be under less pressure. Other players on the DL (namely Dorsey) would face less focus, and would be freer to operate which in turn would almost completely free up Derrick Johnson and our ILBs. In short, as important as a nose tackle is, one more great passrusher would vault this defense deep into the Top 10. The 2011 Draft Like all drafts, this is a draft that has more than a few quality receiver prospects in the early-to-mid rounds. Phil Taylor may be a reach at #21 anyway, so better to get some value later on for the nose. And I am under the belief that our current offensive line (Albert, Waters, Wiegmann assuming he returns, Lilja, and Richardson with Asamoah, Niswanger, and O’Callaghan in the wings) could use some depth, but can hold together for another season while we invest in other positions that are more difficult to develop. It’s hard to complain about an OL that paved the way for two 900+ yard rushers.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	So I had a new thought: what if we could move up in this draft on the cheap. Consider, dareus or quinn could fall to 10. Or if gabbert somehow slipped out of the top 5. If I'm the chiefs, I think I try to swing up to7 to 10 where there is significant talent that works within our scheme. After 10, it really drop I think.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1315090	I think it would be more likely that they'd trade DOWN. I'm not entirely sure that the top tier is really 'top tier'. It kind of seems like a little bit weak at the top.
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