Chiefs Would drafting a QB in the first round renew your excitement for the Chiefs? - Page 11

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-28-2015, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Brady was an elite game manager with New England early on..............

Yep, still waiting for proof. Wilson is a game manager behind a defense that ranks one of the best in history (Despite being a receiver friendly league). Roeth won two rings before he emerged as a legitimate passer, again with manager level stats. Elway did it twice during his decline to retirement. AIkman 3 times.

This theory that elite QB play can make up for a crap defense is laughable. Otherwise, Aaron Rodgers would have 4 more rings to his name.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-28-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

An elite QB makes the defense better by keeping them off the ****ing field.

Refute this... http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...roethlisberger

Roeth throws 206 yards/game 17TD's to 15INT's on the season and that team wins a ring.

If Smith put up those stats this season CP would have imploded by now

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 10-28-2015, 10:10 PM

And in his previous appearance roeth puts up a QB rating of 22.6 and beats Seattle for the ring. Doesn't even average 200 yards/game on the year...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...roethlisberger

Do people on this board even watch football? I'm trying to understand where people pull these 'facts' that 300+ yard throwing QBs can make up for a piss poor defense

chiefzilla1501 · 10-29-2015, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

And in his previous appearance roeth puts up a QB rating of 22.6 and beats Seattle for the ring. Doesn't even average 200 yards/game on the year...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...roethlisberger

Do people on this board even watch football? I'm trying to understand where people pull these 'facts' that 300+ yard throwing QBs can make up for a piss poor defense

You're trying to use big Ben to pump up Alex Smith, and you're asking us if we ever watched football?

Yeah, Ben threw a 22 rating against Seattle in the Super Bowl. No mention that he had 8 tds in the 3 playoff games leading up to the Super Bowl? And is your argument seriously that it's unfair to Alex that he doesn't have a top 3 defense, because that's what brady and big Ben had early on.

Big Ben has 21 playoff tds in 15 games. Alex had only thrown 20+ once in 16 games, and that's regular season. He had a spectacular playoff run in his first super bowl and led an incredible 4q super bowl performance in the second. More importantly, he evolved into a 4000 yard Passer as the game changed. He has 35 4q game winning drives to Alex smith's 15.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-27-2015, 11:50 PM

An elite QB makes his defense better as a elite defense makes an average QB better. It's all very relative. The QB will get you to the playoffs more often, but to win in the playoffs the defense needs to be playing well.

keg in kc · 10-28-2015, 11:38 AM

Not if they're picking lower than 3 or 4. Taking a 2nd tier guy in the middle or end of the first or in the second would be a nice change but wouldn't be what I think we need to do/have done. And no I'm not saying not to do it if that's the only option, just that my expectations wouldn't be as much as with a blue chip pick.

Even with a top 3 pick they'd still need to get rid of Reid. And get rid of Alex Smith. I wouldn't want any of his mindset polluting a young qb.

So I guess my answer would be a qualified maybe. I'm not sure anything can make me vested with Reid in charge. But it might be a start.

Reerun_KC · 10-28-2015, 12:18 PM

Looking at the Poll....

This is one desperate fan base for relevancy....

Can you imagine the excitement, hope and pride Chiefs fans would have knowing for the first time in over 3 decades they are actually committed to winning.... It would be pure emotional chaos!...

**ShortRoundChief** · 10-28-2015, 10:13 PM

I think the elimination of stupid ****ing polls might do it for me. Seriously. Do your part. Let me be a sheep and enjoy this season without some 1/3 witted narrative that was created by a teenage virgin stat wielding geeko nerd who never played a down of football in his life being forced into your skull.

For ****s sake.

Discuss Thrower · 10-28-2015, 11:00 PM

Baby Lee is using anti-vaxxer type of logic concerning the Chiefs.. the same type of logic sandy dumbass uses when defending Alex.

When it comes to drafting and developing QBs, we have a ton of evidence through the teams that are routinely winning 10+ regular season games, are routinely in the playoffs, and are winning championships. But if you believe Baby Lee, there's no reason why the Chiefs should be losing playoff games with QBs like Grbac as long as kickers like Stoyanovich are making 40+ yard field goals.

When it comes to Alex Smith, we have 9+ seasons of statistics and video evidence that he's not really that much better than Kyle Orton at winning playoff games -let alone regular season games-, but sandy dumbass believes a losing effort against Indianapolis is enough to think he can turn in a Brady-esque performance when necessary.

Just like how we have years of evidence that vaccines aren't the sole cause of autism, yet if you believe a falsified article in the Lancet and Jenny McCarthy, getting and spreading the measles are preferable to some children not being comfortable around other people.

**Baby Lee** · 10-28-2015, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Baby Lee is using anti-vaxxer type of logic concerning the Chiefs.. the same type of logic sandy dumbass uses when defending Alex.

When it comes to drafting and developing QBs, we have a ton of evidence through the teams that are routinely winning 10+ regular season games, are routinely in the playoffs, and are winning championships. But if you believe Baby Lee, there's no reason why the Chiefs should be losing playoff games with QBs like Grbac as long as kickers like Stoyanovich are making 40+ yard field goals.

When it comes to Alex Smith, we have 9+ seasons of statistics and video evidence that he's not really that much better than Kyle Orton at winning playoff games -let alone regular season games-, but sandy dumbass believes a losing effort against Indianapolis is enough to think he can turn in a Brady-esque performance when necessary.

Just like how we have years of evidence that vaccines aren't the sole cause of autism, yet if you believe a falsified article in the Lancet and Jenny McCarthy, getting and spreading the measles are preferable to some children not being comfortable around other people.

What a bullshit analogy. First of all, I'm not anti-QB. I'm anti 'we have to pick one because we haven't, and if we don't this year I'm out for good'

Second, Orton has NEVER played a playoff snap. Again, I'm not behind Alex, come hell or high water, but compare that to a comeback victory, an NFC championship game, and the BEST ****ING QB PERFORMANCE the Chiefs have ever had. So he's been objectively a lot better. That's a ****ing reeruned comparison. But then, what would your perpetual sad sack act be without rampant hyperbole. Alex is no Brady, but he's far from an Orton.

But then again, this isn't about an accurate assessment of my opinion or Alex's, or the team's performance. It's about distorting my position to something your can argue more comfortably, colloquially known as a strawman.

If you want to salvage ANYTHING from your shit analogy. We have years of evidence that QBs are not the sole source of championship success. But if you believe the reeruns around here, grab one, see what you got, maybe try again a time or two or three, . . . THEN go cobble together 52 other slapdicks around him and a coaching staff to make him shine.

Pioli's 22 guys off the street is a more well-reasoned gameplan.

**MahiMike** · 10-29-2015, 10:37 AM

My excitement for the Chiefs never wanes. I will always love them like my children.

xztop123 · 10-29-2015, 02:44 PM

A lot of "defensive" championships were not actually the team having a great D but a team having an innovative D that other teams didn't yet know how to account for.

Tampa 2 and the Ravens schematically were unique.

At this point, in order to win with D you'd need a coordinator who started doing stuff other teams weren't used to yet... (Seattle did this with press cover 3)

**Baby Lee** · 10-29-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123

A lot of "defensive" championships were not actually the team having a great D but a team having an innovative D that other teams didn't yet know how to account for.

Tampa 2 and the Ravens schematically were unique.

At this point, in order to win with D you'd need a coordinator who started doing stuff other teams weren't used to yet... (Seattle did this with press cover 3)

Then do THAT. Point is it takes a full team performance to win a championship.

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10-28-2015, 10:10 PM	#3
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	And in his previous appearance roeth puts up a QB rating of 22.6 and beats Seattle for the ring. Doesn't even average 200 yards/game on the year... http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...roethlisberger Do people on this board even watch football? I'm trying to understand where people pull these 'facts' that 300+ yard throwing QBs can make up for a piss poor defense
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6639447	An elite QB makes his defense better as a elite defense makes an average QB better. It's all very relative. The QB will get you to the playoffs more often, but to win in the playoffs the defense needs to be playing well.
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10-28-2015, 11:38 AM	#6
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Not if they're picking lower than 3 or 4. Taking a 2nd tier guy in the middle or end of the first or in the second would be a nice change but wouldn't be what I think we need to do/have done. And no I'm not saying not to do it if that's the only option, just that my expectations wouldn't be as much as with a blue chip pick. Even with a top 3 pick they'd still need to get rid of Reid. And get rid of Alex Smith. I wouldn't want any of his mindset polluting a young qb. So I guess my answer would be a qualified maybe. I'm not sure anything can make me vested with Reid in charge. But it might be a start.
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10-28-2015, 12:18 PM	#7
Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	Looking at the Poll.... This is one desperate fan base for relevancy.... Can you imagine the excitement, hope and pride Chiefs fans would have knowing for the first time in over 3 decades they are actually committed to winning.... It would be pure emotional chaos!...
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10-28-2015, 10:13 PM	#8
ShortRoundChief Embrace the love Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Joplin Casino cash: $4207192	I think the elimination of stupid **ing polls might do it for me. Seriously. Do your part. Let me be a sheep and enjoy this season without some 1/3 witted narrative that was created by a teenage virgin stat wielding geeko nerd who never played a down of football in his life being forced into your skull. For **s sake.
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10-28-2015, 11:00 PM	#9
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-150000	Baby Lee is using anti-vaxxer type of logic concerning the Chiefs.. the same type of logic sandy dumbass uses when defending Alex. When it comes to drafting and developing QBs, we have a ton of evidence through the teams that are routinely winning 10+ regular season games, are routinely in the playoffs, and are winning championships. But if you believe Baby Lee, there's no reason why the Chiefs should be losing playoff games with QBs like Grbac as long as kickers like Stoyanovich are making 40+ yard field goals. When it comes to Alex Smith, we have 9+ seasons of statistics and video evidence that he's not really that much better than Kyle Orton at winning playoff games -let alone regular season games-, but sandy dumbass believes a losing effort against Indianapolis is enough to think he can turn in a Brady-esque performance when necessary. Just like how we have years of evidence that vaccines aren't the sole cause of autism, yet if you believe a falsified article in the Lancet and Jenny McCarthy, getting and spreading the measles are preferable to some children not being comfortable around other people. __________________ Chiefs 2016 Opponents: Home: JAX, TEN, NO, TB, NYJ. Away: HOU, IND, ATL, CAR, PIT Chiefs 2017 Opponents: Home: BUF, MIA, PHI, WSH, AFC North. Away: NE, NYJ, NYG, DAL, AFC South
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10-29-2015, 10:37 AM	#11
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10-29-2015, 02:44 PM	#12
xztop123 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $1340609	A lot of "defensive" championships were not actually the team having a great D but a team having an innovative D that other teams didn't yet know how to account for. Tampa 2 and the Ravens schematically were unique. At this point, in order to win with D you'd need a coordinator who started doing stuff other teams weren't used to yet... (Seattle did this with press cover 3)
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