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Old 09-13-2010, 11:23 PM  
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To the drafturbators...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

we won because...

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2010 draft class.

AND

Mark Sanchez?

He almost makes Matt Cassel look good!

(Nah, that's an exaggeration!)

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Old 09-16-2010, 11:08 PM   #646
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Is an argument about 7th round picks really going on?

Usually good teams do get contributions from late round/UDFA players, no team is all high picks/high dollar FA's.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:09 PM   #647
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I wouldn't use the Chiefs of this decade as the standard bearers of NFL drafting.

In short, they've sucked ass, hence two winning seasons since 2000.
True, but I'm not really bored enough to go do much more data gathering. Someone ought to volunteer to grab the 7th round picks from 2000 - 2010 for the Ravens/Colts/Pats/Steelers, then grab for 4 perennial losers and do a more in-depth analysis. I should have fallen asleep hours ago.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:11 PM   #648
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If you're really going to do comparison you should do 6th,7th and UDFA and see how many contributing players get pulled out of what most people consider the afterthought area.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:13 PM   #649
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Is an argument about 7th round picks really going on?

Usually good teams do get contributions from late round/UDFA players, no team is all high picks/high dollar FA's.
I think we're beyond arguing about it, and actually looking for some actionable numbers. Care to help?
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:18 PM   #650
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If you're really going to do comparison you should do 6th,7th and UDFA and see how many contributing players get pulled out of what most people consider the afterthought area.
Actually, I'm done for tonight, but I like this idea. Not something I'd be able to do tonight, but what would we consider the "value point" for a player from 6/7/UFA? Does the player have to stay with the team that drafted him to be considered a good pick? Are they considered of value just by making the roster for a certain number of years? Do they have to be a starter?

I'd be willing to do some more research, but considering most of these guys never make more than 3rd string, I wouldn't know enough about them beyond stat lines to value them.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:20 PM   #651
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James Harrison and Jeff Saturday were UDFA's, Arian Foster for Houston UDFA, Willie Parker was a UDFA..

I think Pierre Garcon was a 6th rounder...I would guess there's far more contributing guys picked in the afterthought areas that people realize.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:23 PM   #652
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James Harrison and Jeff Saturday were UDFA's, Arian Foster for Houston UDFA, Willie Parker was a UDFA..

I think Pierre Garcon was a 6th rounder...I would guess there's far more contributing guys picked in the afterthought areas that people realize.
I'm sure there are, the hard thing is determining how many and defining "contributing". There are 6 guys from 05-06 who started game 1 of 2010. I'd be curious to know the break down of round selected for all starters last week, and for a few weeks last season. Maybe we could put to rest some of the debate about how much each round is truly worth.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:26 PM   #653
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No - you were right. They only used one pick. The Chiefs traded their 2010 7th rounder for a 2009 7th round pick, which the used on O'Connell.

Trade details

They used their regular 7th rounder on the RB Williams (Succup was a compensatory pick).
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:26 PM   #654
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Watch this...just the Colts

7 Pat McAfee
6 Pierre Garcon
6 Charlie Johnson
6 Antoine Bethea
6 Von Hutchins
6 Cato June

That's just draft picks since 2000 that have contributed to the Colts team from those rounds, Saturday was a UDFA, they got Lilja for numerous years the same way, also Gary Brackett..

Look at all those players the Colts have pulled from the afterthought area.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:31 PM   #655
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The colts have never been too concerned with surrounding manning with talent
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:33 PM   #656
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It's still an example of if you know what you're doing you can pull contributing players from anywhere.

Most teams would shit their pants in joy if they got half that return on late picks.
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Old 09-16-2010, 11:36 PM   #657
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[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;7011402]I wouldn't use the Chiefs of this decade as the standard bearers of NFL drafting.


sadly..replace of this decade with ever
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No - you were right. They only used one pick. The Chiefs traded their 2010 7th rounder for a 2009 7th round pick, which the used on O'Connell.

Trade details

They used their regular 7th rounder on the RB Williams (Succup was a compensatory pick).
hah!

and the legend stops growing to mythical proportions.

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FTR I am 100% behind the notion that good teams find good players after round 4-5. We were just arguing 7th rounders because of how we hit on two in 5 years (Page and Succup) and how rare that actually is in the NFL

The talent evaluation in those later rounds right now is VERY important because we wont have a coaching staff like this forever...you know, that can actually develop talent.

This is why this draft was soo good IMO, I think we hit on damn near EVERY SINGLE PICK when a good draft by a good team nets you 3-4 good players at most (except for legendary drafts...) Its a damn shame Sheffield went down for the year, I liked what little I saw of the kid. Especially at the senior bowl.

Shit, every pick could turn out to be a damn STUD
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Eh. Maybe. Or maybe they're just more willing to give these guys a shot because they are cheap. And maybe some luck involved....Melvin bullitt was not a good college football player.
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UDFA are every bit as valuable as 7th round picks...

7th round picks are basically first dibs on the UDFA...

so are 6th round picks...

No denying the value...

But flip a coin 10 times and get heads 10 times or BUST
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