Chiefs Crennel: Orton Should be Starting QB in 2012 if He Wins Final 2 Games - Page 7

Dexter Manley · 12-20-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

In 1972 they did.

Not in today's game

Did Trent Dilfer win the Super Bowl, or did the Ravens?

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman...

you can get to the Super Bowl with a terrible QB...

Peyton Manning is a bit different with the Colts. Indeed, clearly, the data is "in" on that score...

My favorite - Jeff Hostetler - clearly he won the Super Bowl, and Lawrence Taylor and the NYG D had nothing to do with it...

whoman69 · 12-20-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbie

Did Trent Dilfer win the Super Bowl, or did the Ravens?

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman...

you can get to the Super Bowl with a terrible QB...

Peyton Manning is a bit different with the Colts. Indeed, clearly, the data is "in" on that score...

My favorite - Jeff Hostetler - clearly he won the Super Bowl, and Lawrence Taylor and the NYG D had nothing to do with it...

They didn't make the defenses so impotent with the rules back then. An average or below average QB is not going to get the job done anymore.

Dexter Manley · 12-20-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

They didn't make the defenses so impotent with the rules back then. An average or below average QB is not going to get the job done anymore.

No doubt the rule changes, especially for DBs, make it easier for QBs.

A great defense still shuts out a lot of teams.

The real point is that our current interim head coach should never imply

TEAM = just QB

and hopefully he won't make that mistake again.

Extra Point · 12-20-2011, 04:14 PM

Cassel will be gone, next year.

el borracho · 12-20-2011, 08:21 PM

En la tierra de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey.

teedubya · 12-20-2011, 08:29 PM

Step 1. Sign Orton.
Step 2. Cut Cassel.
Step 3. Kick Cassel in the nuts.
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit!

Imon Yourside · 12-20-2011, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Step 1. Sign Orton.
Step 2. Tell Cassel The Chiefs wish him to get bent.
Step 3. Kick Cassel in the nuts.
Step 4. Cut Cassel.
Step 5. Profit!

FYP!

TEX · 12-20-2011, 10:06 PM

Orton should be the starter regardless...

WhiteWhale · 12-20-2011, 10:58 PM

I support keeping Orton.

Look, here are our options.

1. Keep Cassel and Orton and have them compete for the starting job.

2. Keep Cassel, let Orton walk. Draft a QB.

3. Keep Orton, let Cassel walk. Draft a QB.

4. Dump both, draft a QB, and let he or Stanzi start.

I like option #3 the best. Option 1 is garbage (but I'm 100% sure that's what will come to pass) and option #4 kinda falls into the 'putting all eggs into single basket'.

Orton should be looked at for what he is: A mediocre (or 'solid') Journeyman Quarterback who can operate as a stop gap.

I don't see a problem with it unless the team views Orton as a long term solution (which I believe they will).

**bevischief** · 12-21-2011, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I support keeping Orton.

Look, here are our options.

1. Keep Cassel and Orton and have them compete for the starting job.

2. Keep Cassel, let Orton walk. Draft a QB.

3. Keep Orton, let Cassel walk. Draft a QB.

4. Dump both, draft a QB, and let he or Stanzi start.

I like option #3 the best. Option 1 is garbage (but I'm 100% sure that's what will come to pass) and option #4 kinda falls into the 'putting all eggs into single basket'.

Orton should be looked at for what he is: A mediocre (or 'solid') Journeyman Quarterback who can operate as a stop gap.

I don't see a problem with it unless the team views Orton as a long term solution (which I believe they will).

yep.

**Smed1065** · 12-20-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

This could very well be a repost, so I apologize in advance if it is. I didn't see it anywhere on the first page unless it's mixed in on another thread. Pretty interesting that Crennel has come out and said this already IMO.

Interim coach Romeo Crennel said Kyle Orton should be the Chiefs' 2012 starter if he wins the final two games.
There's a ton of uncertainty in Kansas City, so Crennel is getting way ahead of himself here. He's no lock to get the head coaching job, Orton is an impending free agent, and Matt Cassel is under contract through 2014. Still, Orton may truly be a better option than Cassel. The Chiefs would be foolish not to at least consider using him as a "bridge" to a rookie quarterback they might draft in April. Dec 20 - 8:59 AM
Source: Kansas City Star

http://dev.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3214/kyle-orton

Yeah first post.............

Okie_Apparition · 12-20-2011, 11:59 PM

Babin got a 1 game suspension for breaking apart in mid-air while playing the Jets

mjdoesnfl · 12-21-2011, 06:55 AM

Does anyone know what the financial downside would be to cutting Cassel? If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m?

IMO it's a little early to have an opinion on Kyle but as people have said, he certainly goes through his rotation faster. Also, I like the touch he puts on the ball to make it easier to catch. Cassel likes to throw lasers.

Remember, Cassel had some big games last year. The Raiders should put more pressure on Orton Sunday. Matt has had to survive behind a pourous, sub-average line, lets see what Kyle can do.

Also something to consider, I'm convinced that one reason Matt was chosen was because Pioli knew how bad the O-line was and knew he needed someone durable. He is that, he's taken some real shots this year and come back from them. Also I'm sure that his game was affected early in the year when he had bruised ribs. Stanzi doesn't look that tough, not sure about Orton.

mjdoesnfl · 12-21-2011, 07:02 AM

I think we might be wiser to draft a crushing DLman. Either a big, built for purpose nosetackle (we've really missed Smith this year), or rushing complement to Hali at the other end. If we had more of a run stuffing NT then I think that DJ would be turned loose to wreak havok even more.

My thinking is that the best thing we could do for our offense would be to give them the ball more often in better field position. We should get Moeaki and Charles back albeit not as good but still better weapons, we should do ok scoring, but we need to be able to stop people better.

Dexter Manley · 12-21-2011, 07:26 AM

"If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m? "

No, and I doubt any more of his contract is guaranteed. I think if he is cut, he does clear waivers, and the Chiefs are off the hook completely.

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12-20-2011, 08:29 PM	#6
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12-20-2011, 10:06 PM	#8
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12-20-2011, 10:58 PM	#9
WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I support keeping Orton. Look, here are our options. 1. Keep Cassel and Orton and have them compete for the starting job. 2. Keep Cassel, let Orton walk. Draft a QB. 3. Keep Orton, let Cassel walk. Draft a QB. 4. Dump both, draft a QB, and let he or Stanzi start. I like option #3 the best. Option 1 is garbage (but I'm 100% sure that's what will come to pass) and option #4 kinda falls into the 'putting all eggs into single basket'. Orton should be looked at for what he is: A mediocre (or 'solid') Journeyman Quarterback who can operate as a stop gap. I don't see a problem with it unless the team views Orton as a long term solution (which I believe they will).
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12-21-2011, 06:55 AM	#13
mjdoesnfl Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Nottingham, England Casino cash: $10004900	Does anyone know what the financial downside would be to cutting Cassel? If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m? IMO it's a little early to have an opinion on Kyle but as people have said, he certainly goes through his rotation faster. Also, I like the touch he puts on the ball to make it easier to catch. Cassel likes to throw lasers. Remember, Cassel had some big games last year. The Raiders should put more pressure on Orton Sunday. Matt has had to survive behind a pourous, sub-average line, lets see what Kyle can do. Also something to consider, I'm convinced that one reason Matt was chosen was because Pioli knew how bad the O-line was and knew he needed someone durable. He is that, he's taken some real shots this year and come back from them. Also I'm sure that his game was affected early in the year when he had bruised ribs. Stanzi doesn't look that tough, not sure about Orton.
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12-21-2011, 07:02 AM	#14
mjdoesnfl Rookie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Nottingham, England Casino cash: $10004900	Draft a QB? not before D-Line pls I think we might be wiser to draft a crushing DLman. Either a big, built for purpose nosetackle (we've really missed Smith this year), or rushing complement to Hali at the other end. If we had more of a run stuffing NT then I think that DJ would be turned loose to wreak havok even more. My thinking is that the best thing we could do for our offense would be to give them the ball more often in better field position. We should get Moeaki and Charles back albeit not as good but still better weapons, we should do ok scoring, but we need to be able to stop people better.
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12-21-2011, 07:26 AM	#15
Dexter Manley Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	"If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m? " No, and I doubt any more of his contract is guaranteed. I think if he is cut, he does clear waivers, and the Chiefs are off the hook completely.
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