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SPchief · 04:22 PM

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.

Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

**DeezNutz** · 08-05-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'll give DM credit for cutting his losses now, because I was deathly afraid he was going to hang on to him most of this month hoping he still could swing a deal.

And credit to Glass for not preventing this from happening.

Priest31kc · 08-05-2010, 01:25 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...snt-happy.html

SEATTLE | Zack Greinke isn’t sure he wants to endure the growing pains he knows are coming as the Royals gear up for another youth-based rebuilding plan.

It matters little that growing optimism surrounds numerous prospects currently percolating through the club’s farm system or that raves from outside the organization match in-house assessments for the first time in years.

Greinke greets it with a shrug.

“Every system has something,” he said. “The biggest problem is I have two more years on my contract. Are those guys supposed to make it up by the beginning of next year?”

Tell him, yes, some are projected to reach the majors next year, and Greinke just shakes his head. He seems a resigned skeptic dulled by the hard reality of too many losses over too many years.

“Very rarely,” he argued, “do guys come straight into the big leagues and make an impact, especially hitters. Just look at the top prospects in baseball. Delmon Young was one five years ago, and he’s finally starting to play well.

“Alex Gordon was one four years ago, and he might be starting to play well now. So the problem (with the Royals’ prospects) is that it’s not like as soon as they get here that it’s going to be instant (success). Maybe by 2014.”

Greinke lets that harsh assessment hang in the air for a moment before continuing.

“There’s no reason for me to get real excited about it,” he said, “because the chance of more than one of them making a major impact by the time my contract is up is pretty slim.”

Greinke knows the effect his words will have. While still just 26, he trails only injured outfielder David DeJesus among players on the club’s 40-man roster in continuous service time with the organization.

He knows, too, that as much as he finds it “annoying,” he is the face of the franchise and its most recognizable star. (All-Star closer Joakim Soria, for all his accomplishments, still hears his name mispronounced outside of Kansas City.)

Greinke is a homegrown success story, the American League’s reigning Cy Young Award winner and by 2012, the final year of his contract, will be the highest-paid player in franchise history.

His harsh assessment carries weight, although it’s wrong, he makes clear, to conclude he wants out. Even so, Greinke hedges when asked if he sees himself staying with the Royals beyond 2012.

“It depends more on the team now,” he admitted. “We’ll see. This is at least the third full re-start/rebuilding phase since I’ve been here. And, obviously, none of them have worked. This one hasn’t even really started yet.”

Some of this could be frustration talking, of course.

It’s early August – the onset of baseball’s dog days, when the blues set in on all struggling teams. The Royals find themselves 16 games under .500 at 46-62. Club officials make it clear the final 54 games will be an evaluation period.

And, personally, Greinke is laboring through a disappointing (and perhaps inevitable) drop-off from his Cy Young success. He is 7-10 with a 3.97 ERA entering his start Friday against the Mariners.

“It’s probably more of a grind than any year since 2005,” he said. “This one has been like that one for most of the season.”

Those are sobering words. Greinke came close to a breakdown in 2005. He went 5-17 with a 5.80 ERA and was thoroughly miserable.

The following spring, he quit baseball for a brief period before returning once he was diagnosed and treated for clinical depression and social anxiety. That treatment unlocked his potential and spurred his development into one of the game’s top pitchers.

There’s little reason to suspect a relapse, although the attention surrounding his success likely elevated his stress level. He also got married in the offseason; a life-changing experience under the best of circumstances.

A calmer offseason this winter should help.

What emerges instead from listening to Greinke earlier this week, on a rare occasion when he chose to open up, is that his current discouragement stems, primarily, from the drudgery of losing.

Another roster overhaul might be the Royals’ best chance, perhaps their only chance, to shake the malaise from a lost generation. Greinke doesn’t argue the point. He just views it from a personal perspective.

“It’s not real exciting to have to go through it again,” he said. “It’s been six years with me, and most people (who are Royals fans) have been through a lot more than I have. But for me, it’s the third complete re-start/rebuilding phase.”

Would he be happier elsewhere?

“I like Kansas City,” Greinke said. “It’s a town that fits me pretty well. But I don’t know…at least put a team together that has a fighting chance (to win).”

He means soon. Not 2014.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...#ixzz0vlD9a1Av

**ChiTown** · 08-05-2010, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest31kc

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...snt-happy.html

SEATTLE | Zack Greinke isn’t sure he wants to endure the growing pains he knows are coming as the Royals gear up for another youth-based rebuilding plan.

It matters little that growing optimism surrounds numerous prospects currently percolating through the club’s farm system or that raves from outside the organization match in-house assessments for the first time in years.

Greinke greets it with a shrug.

“Every system has something,” he said. “The biggest problem is I have two more years on my contract. Are those guys supposed to make it up by the beginning of next year?”

Tell him, yes, some are projected to reach the majors next year, and Greinke just shakes his head. He seems a resigned skeptic dulled by the hard reality of too many losses over too many years.

“Very rarely,” he argued, “do guys come straight into the big leagues and make an impact, especially hitters. Just look at the top prospects in baseball. Delmon Young was one five years ago, and he’s finally starting to play well.

“Alex Gordon was one four years ago, and he might be starting to play well now. So the problem (with the Royals’ prospects) is that it’s not like as soon as they get here that it’s going to be instant (success). Maybe by 2014.”

Greinke lets that harsh assessment hang in the air for a moment before continuing.

“There’s no reason for me to get real excited about it,” he said, “because the chance of more than one of them making a major impact by the time my contract is up is pretty slim.”

Greinke knows the effect his words will have. While still just 26, he trails only injured outfielder David DeJesus among players on the club’s 40-man roster in continuous service time with the organization.

He knows, too, that as much as he finds it “annoying,” he is the face of the franchise and its most recognizable star. (All-Star closer Joakim Soria, for all his accomplishments, still hears his name mispronounced outside of Kansas City.)

Greinke is a homegrown success story, the American League’s reigning Cy Young Award winner and by 2012, the final year of his contract, will be the highest-paid player in franchise history.

His harsh assessment carries weight, although it’s wrong, he makes clear, to conclude he wants out. Even so, Greinke hedges when asked if he sees himself staying with the Royals beyond 2012.

“It depends more on the team now,” he admitted. “We’ll see. This is at least the third full re-start/rebuilding phase since I’ve been here. And, obviously, none of them have worked. This one hasn’t even really started yet.”

Some of this could be frustration talking, of course.

It’s early August – the onset of baseball’s dog days, when the blues set in on all struggling teams. The Royals find themselves 16 games under .500 at 46-62. Club officials make it clear the final 54 games will be an evaluation period.

And, personally, Greinke is laboring through a disappointing (and perhaps inevitable) drop-off from his Cy Young success. He is 7-10 with a 3.97 ERA entering his start Friday against the Mariners.

“It’s probably more of a grind than any year since 2005,” he said. “This one has been like that one for most of the season.”

Those are sobering words. Greinke came close to a breakdown in 2005. He went 5-17 with a 5.80 ERA and was thoroughly miserable.

The following spring, he quit baseball for a brief period before returning once he was diagnosed and treated for clinical depression and social anxiety. That treatment unlocked his potential and spurred his development into one of the game’s top pitchers.

There’s little reason to suspect a relapse, although the attention surrounding his success likely elevated his stress level. He also got married in the offseason; a life-changing experience under the best of circumstances.

A calmer offseason this winter should help.

What emerges instead from listening to Greinke earlier this week, on a rare occasion when he chose to open up, is that his current discouragement stems, primarily, from the drudgery of losing.

Another roster overhaul might be the Royals’ best chance, perhaps their only chance, to shake the malaise from a lost generation. Greinke doesn’t argue the point. He just views it from a personal perspective.

“It’s not real exciting to have to go through it again,” he said. “It’s been six years with me, and most people (who are Royals fans) have been through a lot more than I have. But for me, it’s the third complete re-start/rebuilding phase.”

Would he be happier elsewhere?

“I like Kansas City,” Greinke said. “It’s a town that fits me pretty well. But I don’t know…at least put a team together that has a fighting chance (to win).”

He means soon. Not 2014.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...#ixzz0vlD9a1Av

Amen, Zach

**DeezNutz** · 08-05-2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest31kc

“Alex Gordon was one four years ago, and he might be starting to play well now. So the problem (with the Royals’ prospects) is that it’s not like as soon as they get here that it’s going to be instant (success). Maybe by 2014.”

He's right, and the unintentional shot at Gordon made me laugh.

**ChiTown** · 08-05-2010, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He's right, and the unintentional shot at Gordon made me laugh.

- that was awesome, and well-deserved for Mr. .200

siberian khatru · 08-05-2010, 01:41 PM

Can't say I blame Zack, and his attitude reinforces my belief that he's been mentally checking out of some games this year.

Things could get very interesting by next year's trade deadline.

Sure-Oz · 08-05-2010, 01:45 PM

Zack gets bored, whats the point for a team that has no chance.

BWillie · 08-05-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ

And those OBP numbers don't even put him in the top 40 in baseball(and the .319 number is just scary). In fact, this is his best year ever statistically and he can't even crack the top 40 in OPS. Dejesus puts up roughly the same numbers and costs half as much, and that's really the point. Speed guys who don't hit for power and have a mediocre OBP/OPS aren't all that tough to come by. Heck, this year, for 1.5 million, we got a guy who has just as many SB's as Crawford and had a .346 OBP to Crawford's career best .359. Is the extra 10 HR's crawford will hit this season worth 14 million more than the guy we had? On a team like the Royals, I don't think it is.

The Royals can't afford to be cheap though. They are the Royals. Spend the money. This team has a chance to be good for a window of 2-3 years starting in 2012. Don't be cheap, spend the money.

Sure-Oz · 08-05-2010, 05:37 PM

Royals really need to be careful with Zack, and probably should explore trading him, esp. if he is feeling super shitty. I don't blame him though, he's sick of getting his ass kicked. I would really hate to lose him after 2012 and get nothing.

Sure-Oz · 08-05-2010, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Can't say I blame Zack, and his attitude reinforces my belief that he's been mentally checking out of some games this year.

Things could get very interesting by next year's trade deadline.

Agreed, I think they really should explore this, esp if our team wont be ready by the time his contract is up.

**DeezNutz** · 08-05-2010, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Agreed, I think they really should explore this, esp if our team wont be ready by the time his contract is up.

I'm fine with potentially moving Greinke, but trading him and keeping Soria, particularly if the offer from NY this year was legit, makes zero sense.

Sure-Oz · 08-05-2010, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm fine with potentially moving Greinke, but trading him and keeping Soria, particularly if the offer from NY this year was legit, makes zero sense.

I'd trade both if this team is really not going to be a .500 team until 2013....the haul could be tremendous. I would love to keep both but who knows wtf this team will be in the next year or two. i'm just glad guillen is gone and we get to see gordon and kila hopefully progress. This team needs 2 of the minor leaguers to stars offensively.

Sure-Oz · 08-05-2010, 06:41 PM

Giants are 'discussing' Royals' Jose Guillen

Guillen
Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News reports that the Giants are "discussing" Royals outfielder Jose Guillen.
The struggling and overpaid Guillen was designated for assignment by Kansas City on Thursday afternoon after batting .255/.314/.429 over 396 at-bats and .151/.198/.260 after the All-Star break. He's a liability in the outfield and would not do well in San Francisco's spacious AT&T Park, but the Giants want to beef up their bench and Guillen at least boasts a hint of power. The Royals should part with him easily. Aug. 5 - 5:50 pm et
Source: San Jose Mercury News

sedated · 08-05-2010, 06:52 PM

wow, sucks to hear that from Zach, but he's always been straight with his thoughts.

I'd hate to lose the best players we have, but its incredibly tempting to think what we could add to the wave of talent coming up by dealing Zach, Soria, and DDJ.

But if this team is serious about competing, and not just a one-year-wonder like the Marlins, this should be the first wave they open the checkbook for. Supplement talent with young talent, don't rely on a single class to save the franchise (a la Baird's regime)

CaliforniaChief · 08-05-2010, 08:21 PM

I like what Zack said. First, he's honest. None of this diplomatic BS that fills the airwaves. Second, it's a notice to the front office and ownership. You'd better step up and show that you're serious NOW...not in 2014 or whenever. Now.

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08-05-2010, 01:25 PM	#1922
Priest31kc Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: JCMO Casino cash: $3715291	http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...snt-happy.html SEATTLE \| Zack Greinke isn’t sure he wants to endure the growing pains he knows are coming as the Royals gear up for another youth-based rebuilding plan. It matters little that growing optimism surrounds numerous prospects currently percolating through the club’s farm system or that raves from outside the organization match in-house assessments for the first time in years. Greinke greets it with a shrug. “Every system has something,” he said. “The biggest problem is I have two more years on my contract. Are those guys supposed to make it up by the beginning of next year?” Tell him, yes, some are projected to reach the majors next year, and Greinke just shakes his head. He seems a resigned skeptic dulled by the hard reality of too many losses over too many years. “Very rarely,” he argued, “do guys come straight into the big leagues and make an impact, especially hitters. Just look at the top prospects in baseball. Delmon Young was one five years ago, and he’s finally starting to play well. “Alex Gordon was one four years ago, and he might be starting to play well now. So the problem (with the Royals’ prospects) is that it’s not like as soon as they get here that it’s going to be instant (success). Maybe by 2014.” Greinke lets that harsh assessment hang in the air for a moment before continuing. “There’s no reason for me to get real excited about it,” he said, “because the chance of more than one of them making a major impact by the time my contract is up is pretty slim.” Greinke knows the effect his words will have. While still just 26, he trails only injured outfielder David DeJesus among players on the club’s 40-man roster in continuous service time with the organization. He knows, too, that as much as he finds it “annoying,” he is the face of the franchise and its most recognizable star. (All-Star closer Joakim Soria, for all his accomplishments, still hears his name mispronounced outside of Kansas City.) Greinke is a homegrown success story, the American League’s reigning Cy Young Award winner and by 2012, the final year of his contract, will be the highest-paid player in franchise history. His harsh assessment carries weight, although it’s wrong, he makes clear, to conclude he wants out. Even so, Greinke hedges when asked if he sees himself staying with the Royals beyond 2012. “It depends more on the team now,” he admitted. “We’ll see. This is at least the third full re-start/rebuilding phase since I’ve been here. And, obviously, none of them have worked. This one hasn’t even really started yet.” Some of this could be frustration talking, of course. It’s early August – the onset of baseball’s dog days, when the blues set in on all struggling teams. The Royals find themselves 16 games under .500 at 46-62. Club officials make it clear the final 54 games will be an evaluation period. And, personally, Greinke is laboring through a disappointing (and perhaps inevitable) drop-off from his Cy Young success. He is 7-10 with a 3.97 ERA entering his start Friday against the Mariners. “It’s probably more of a grind than any year since 2005,” he said. “This one has been like that one for most of the season.” Those are sobering words. Greinke came close to a breakdown in 2005. He went 5-17 with a 5.80 ERA and was thoroughly miserable. The following spring, he quit baseball for a brief period before returning once he was diagnosed and treated for clinical depression and social anxiety. That treatment unlocked his potential and spurred his development into one of the game’s top pitchers. There’s little reason to suspect a relapse, although the attention surrounding his success likely elevated his stress level. He also got married in the offseason; a life-changing experience under the best of circumstances. A calmer offseason this winter should help. What emerges instead from listening to Greinke earlier this week, on a rare occasion when he chose to open up, is that his current discouragement stems, primarily, from the drudgery of losing. Another roster overhaul might be the Royals’ best chance, perhaps their only chance, to shake the malaise from a lost generation. Greinke doesn’t argue the point. He just views it from a personal perspective. “It’s not real exciting to have to go through it again,” he said. “It’s been six years with me, and most people (who are Royals fans) have been through a lot more than I have. But for me, it’s the third complete re-start/rebuilding phase.” Would he be happier elsewhere? “I like Kansas City,” Greinke said. “It’s a town that fits me pretty well. But I don’t know…at least put a team together that has a fighting chance (to win).” He means soon. Not 2014. Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05...#ixzz0vlD9a1Av __________________ KANSAS CITY ROYALS 2015 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS I AM A MAHOMESEXUAL
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $-1155050	Can't say I blame Zack, and his attitude reinforces my belief that he's been mentally checking out of some games this year. Things could get very interesting by next year's trade deadline.
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