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SPchief · 04:22 PM

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.

Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

Thig Lyfe · 11-10-2010, 05:50 PM

DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

BigCatDaddy · 11-10-2010, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer

DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines...107079789.html

**petegz28** · 11-10-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer

DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks.

Source: Internet

****ing figures. Trade away our best player for ?????

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

****ing figures. Trade away our best player for ?????

no one on this crap-pile of a team aside from Soria, Butler, or Greinke should be overly protected, provided we get the right players in return.

Looking up stats now to figure out my opinion on this, I literally learned of this moments ago.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 06:19 PM

rotoworld's flash opinion, they didn't seem to immediately declare a winner or loser, for what its worth.

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As expected, the A's have dumped some of their starting pitching surplus in an effort to bolster what was a weak-hitting lineup in 2010. DeJesus turned in a solid .318/.384/.443 batting line with 23 doubles and five homers in just 352 at-bats for the Royals this year. He's one of the more underrated outfielders in baseball, both defensively and at the plate.

KevB · 11-10-2010, 06:43 PM

From everything I'm reading, seems like a decent trade. Mazzaro is still young and developing, and has had some success. Profiles to be a solid #3 starter at best, but I'll take that. I haven't read anything on Marks, but while his ERA and WHIP are marginal, he's striking out more than a batter an inning as a lefty and is also still young.

In addition, they outrighted Banny to AAA, and he chose to become a free agent. We all liked Banny, but he just doesn't quite have the talent to be a MLB pitcher I'm afraid.

**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2010, 06:53 PM

On the surface, it seems like a promising trade, but winning a horse trade with Beane is a tall order.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 06:53 PM

Vin Mazarro, RHP, 3rd round 2005

2006 - A - who cares
2007 - A+ - 5.33 ERA, 1.497 WHIP, 6.7 K/9, 1.62 K/BB, 0.8 HR/9
2008 - AA and AAA - 2.74 ERA, 1.222 WHIP, 6.9 K/9, 2.91 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9
2009 - AAA - 2.38 ERA, 1.041 WHIP, 7 K/9, 2.59 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9

minors: started out crappy, improved to a decent minor league pitcher. Didn't give up many home runs, strikeout ratios are pretty good.

2009 - OAK - 5.32 ERA, 1.741 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, 1.2 HR/9
2010 - OAK - 4.27 ERA, 1.447 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.58 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9

uhhh.... wow. Not good. He's young and may have talent, but he certainly hasn't made the last adjustment from AAA at all. Not yet, anyway. If he figures it out in KC with a change of scenery that would be wonderful. Hopefully this guy was a throw-in and the 2nd pitcher was the guy we coveted. That 2nd guy is...

Justin Marks, LHP (another one? Holy christ, don't we already have enough lefties?), 3rd round 2009

2009 - Rookie - who cares, one game in rookie ball
2010 - A and A+ - 4.87 ERA, 1.353 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 2.78 K/BB, 1 HR/9

Struck out a ton of batters in his first year as a pro, gave up an average number of homers, doesn't walk many people, but he got hit a bit. Only 19 games worth of stats, so these are of limited use. They certainly don't say "A-class prospect" to me. Guy like this, you need a scouting report. OK, I read a few, Marks was not on anyone's top-10 list of oakland prospects, seemed more in the 20-range. Keith Law was not high on him earlier this year.

Overall, dude seems like a C-grade prospect.

We traded one season of David DeJesus (free agent next year) for a B-grade pitching prospect who might or might not help us starting this year, and a C-grade prospect who aside from being yet ANOTHER lefty, may or may not ever reach KC.

I mean yeah, its only one year and on paper you'd think maybe it was a fair deal, but I'm not thrilled with this deal. Maybe we could have signed him for one or two more years, and if we cant, I'd hope we'd get more than this on a deadline trade for a team trying to make the playoffs.

We have the potential to win this trade, perhaps, but unless we know something about his health that no one else doesn't, or unless we think he's going to turn into a pile of crap in 2011 and ruin his trade value, I'm not happy. I'm not enraged either, but I'm not happy.

**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2010, 06:54 PM

Seems like a promising move, but winning a horse trade with Beane is a tall order.

sedated · 11-10-2010, 07:03 PM

I may be one of the few DDJ fans, but I thought we could have locked him up fairly cheap.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

I may be one of the few DDJ fans, but I thought we could have locked him up fairly cheap.

I like DDJ too. I do like the royals more and will trade anybody to improve the team, but I think I would have said no to this deal and held out for more, unless I really believed he was going to get hurt or tank in 2011.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 07:12 PM

Royals Corner is underwhelmed. Even the glass-half-full guys (like me) who believe DM has done some good things with the minors is scratching their heads on this one. Yes, I expect the casual fan on the street to scream just because DDJ is gone, but screw them, they will buy tickets and forget about DDJ if its a good deal and we win, but is it a good deal? I'm having a hard time saying yes or finding many people who think we should have done this.

**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2010, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

I like DDJ too. I do like the royals more and will trade anybody to improve the team, but I think I would have said no to this deal and held out for more, unless I really believed he was going to get hurt or tank in 2011.

Would have liked to have known what the return would have been mid-season of this year, before the injury.

**Reaper16** · 11-10-2010, 07:43 PM

Is the return greater than the two draft picks the organization would have received from a Type A DDJ leaving in free agency in 2011? I have my doubts.

Also, you just know that this trade is a precursor to Dayton signing his anus-crush, Jeff Francouer.

**alnorth** · 11-10-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Also, you just know that this trade is a precursor to Dayton signing his anus-crush, Jeff Francouer.

I keep hearing that, but I refuse to believe it until it happens. Francouer is a replacement-level outfielder. His only role on this team would be as a warm body to keep RF occupied at the ML minimum until 2012. If we did sign him for multiple years and a lot of money, I will hurl myself out of my den window onto the hard driveway 15 feet below in an effort to dull the pain.

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11-10-2010, 05:50 PM	#2461
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	DeJesus traded to A's for Mazzaro and Marks. Source: Internet
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11-10-2010, 06:43 PM	#2466
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	From everything I'm reading, seems like a decent trade. Mazzaro is still young and developing, and has had some success. Profiles to be a solid #3 starter at best, but I'll take that. I haven't read anything on Marks, but while his ERA and WHIP are marginal, he's striking out more than a batter an inning as a lefty and is also still young. In addition, they outrighted Banny to AAA, and he chose to become a free agent. We all liked Banny, but he just doesn't quite have the talent to be a MLB pitcher I'm afraid.
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11-10-2010, 06:53 PM	#2468
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Vin Mazarro, RHP, 3rd round 2005 2006 - A - who cares 2007 - A+ - 5.33 ERA, 1.497 WHIP, 6.7 K/9, 1.62 K/BB, 0.8 HR/9 2008 - AA and AAA - 2.74 ERA, 1.222 WHIP, 6.9 K/9, 2.91 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9 2009 - AAA - 2.38 ERA, 1.041 WHIP, 7 K/9, 2.59 K/BB, 0.3 HR/9 minors: started out crappy, improved to a decent minor league pitcher. Didn't give up many home runs, strikeout ratios are pretty good. 2009 - OAK - 5.32 ERA, 1.741 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.51 K/BB, 1.2 HR/9 2010 - OAK - 4.27 ERA, 1.447 WHIP, 5.8 K/9, 1.58 K/BB, 1.4 HR/9 uhhh.... wow. Not good. He's young and may have talent, but he certainly hasn't made the last adjustment from AAA at all. Not yet, anyway. If he figures it out in KC with a change of scenery that would be wonderful. Hopefully this guy was a throw-in and the 2nd pitcher was the guy we coveted. That 2nd guy is... Justin Marks, LHP (another one? Holy christ, don't we already have enough lefties?), 3rd round 2009 2009 - Rookie - who cares, one game in rookie ball 2010 - A and A+ - 4.87 ERA, 1.353 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 2.78 K/BB, 1 HR/9 Struck out a ton of batters in his first year as a pro, gave up an average number of homers, doesn't walk many people, but he got hit a bit. Only 19 games worth of stats, so these are of limited use. They certainly don't say "A-class prospect" to me. Guy like this, you need a scouting report. OK, I read a few, Marks was not on anyone's top-10 list of oakland prospects, seemed more in the 20-range. Keith Law was not high on him earlier this year. Overall, dude seems like a C-grade prospect. We traded one season of David DeJesus (free agent next year) for a B-grade pitching prospect who might or might not help us starting this year, and a C-grade prospect who aside from being yet ANOTHER lefty, may or may not ever reach KC. I mean yeah, its only one year and on paper you'd think maybe it was a fair deal, but I'm not thrilled with this deal. Maybe we could have signed him for one or two more years, and if we cant, I'd hope we'd get more than this on a deadline trade for a team trying to make the playoffs. We have the potential to win this trade, perhaps, but unless we know something about his health that no one else doesn't, or unless we think he's going to turn into a pile of crap in 2011 and ruin his trade value, I'm not happy. I'm not enraged either, but I'm not happy. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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11-10-2010, 07:12 PM	#2472
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Royals Corner is underwhelmed. Even the glass-half-full guys (like me) who believe DM has done some good things with the minors is scratching their heads on this one. Yes, I expect the casual fan on the street to scream just because DDJ is gone, but screw them, they will buy tickets and forget about DDJ if its a good deal and we win, but is it a good deal? I'm having a hard time saying yes or finding many people who think we should have done this. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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