2010 Kansas City Royals Repository thread

[SPchief]

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.


Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

A lot of it probably does have to do with age and potential. This isn't quite the Beltran deal, and he's not Butler. Beltran was 27 when we traded him. Butler is 24 years old.

Remember, when he hits free agency next offseason, DDJ will be 32 years old. I still think he has the potential to put up .330/15-20 HR seasons, no doubt. I think he can be a very underrated, valuable player for a winning team. But his next contract might take him to 35-36 years old. He might permanently be a corner OF'er at that point.

This deal is not even close to being Beltran-like. And "might" be a permanent corner OFer? He's that now.

The problem with DDJ is that his glove doesn't play in CF and his bat is less than ideal for a corner spot. Overall, and I don't mean for this to sound contradictory, I agree that he's an underrated LFer. Ironically, he's largely overrated by Royals fans.

(and Hoch is a #4 )

[Mama Hip Rockets]

As long as Brian Bannister is being replaced, I'm happy.

[tk13]

I think he can still play center. At least he avoids making too many bonehead plays out there. I always thought he'd develop the ability to steal bases more than he has... that might be his biggest problem. He's hardly been able to push being a 10/10 guy. But he does hit doubles and triples. Our offense definitely went down a notch without him.

I won't even acknowledge the tripe that is your last statement. If you mean behind Greinke, Crow, and Mazzaro, then sure.

[58kcfan89]

I was a big fan of DDJ, but am not mad that we traded him. I'm not overjoyed at what we got for him, but admittedly that has to do with the fact that I've never heard of these guys.

He's a guy who was on a ton of horrible teams & (as far as I remember) never complained about it. Solid player, wish he could have stayed a Royal, but if it helps the team win some games, I'm all for it. I just want this damn team to be competitive!

[DJ's left nut]

So instead of trading DeJesus for 1 decent prospect he trades him for a replacement level RHP with fringe stuff and a(nother) lefty that doesn't seem like he projects to do much at the major league?

I've always said that DeJesus has more value to other teams than he would KC, but a steady bat at the top of your order is a big deal and the Royals just gave one away.

If they couldn't do better than this, they should've had him play out the season and offered him arby to pick up at least a sandwich pick as a type B FA.

Not a good trade.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Chief Chief

IMHO this trade SUCKS BIG-TIME!

When will the future actually arrive to the K? DDJ is a player who developed in the last few years within our club and is hitting (no pun intended) his prime years right now. He deserved to get a Gold Glove last year and was on his way to deserving one this year. He's an above-average hitter with some decent power and can run. But now DM's throwing him out because negotiation time's coming up? Pay the man! He's worth the risk. This is looking like the Carlos Beltran deal: Toss away a legitimate All Star and get players who have budding potential. This is EXACTLY what Zack Greinke was bitching about earlier this year. When will DM finally seal up the revolving door, hold onto his cards, and go all in? How many teams have reached the World Series with 22 of its 25 players under 30 years old? And yet we retain Billy Butler who, yeah, hits alot of doubles, but is a sub-par defensive player with limited range and below-average speed and is often the 2nd out of double plays? R U F'n kidding me? And that's just one Royals player who DM should have traded before offering DDJ to anyone. DM: You're doing it bass-ackwards -- keep the proven productive ones and get more by packaging up and trading prospects with (possible) up-side who are 2 or more years away from the bigs. If before today anyone out there doubted that the Royals were the farm system for the other MLB teams, then this is now your wake-up call: There is absolutely no way anyone can deny it.

heh, ok dial it down a bit. DDJ wishes in his wildest fantasy that he was as good as Beltran.

I like DeJesus, he's a nice solid guy, but he's a left-fielder worth about 2 wins above replacement. If a win is worth about 5 million, then starting at 10, and discounting due to his non-premium position, perhaps he's a solid decent $8MM or so outfielder. At 6, he's a nice discount this year, but he sure as hell is not an all-star, and there are lingering concerns that his hand injury could sap his power next season.

I'm annoyed about the move because I think we could have gotten better for him at the deadline (or maybe sign if he doesn't have a wildly inflated opinion of himself) and DM let him go too early, not because this was a pure Beltran salary dumping surrender.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

I think he can still play center. At least he avoids making too many bonehead plays out there. I always thought he'd develop the ability to steal bases more than he has... that might be his biggest problem. He's hardly been able to push being a 10/10 guy. But he does hit doubles and triples. Our offense definitely went down a notch without him.

I won't even acknowledge the tripe that is your last statement. If you mean behind Greinke, Crow, and Mazzaro, then sure.

No question.

But I heard there's a certain RH "power" hitting OFer from the ATL area who is now available...

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So instead of trading DeJesus for 1 decent prospect he trades him for a replacement level RHP with fringe stuff and a(nother) lefty that doesn't seem like he projects to do much at the major league?

I've always said that DeJesus has more value to other teams than he would KC, but a steady bat at the top of your order is a big deal and the Royals just gave one away.

If they couldn't do better than this, they should've had him play out the season and offered him arby to pick up at least a sandwich pick as a type B FA.

Not a good trade.

1) Mazzaro has more upside than as a replacement-level guy. And he's got better than fringe stuff. He's a guy who in the minor leagues took some time at each level before feeling comfortable challenging hitters, which is when his stuff usually started to improve. 92-93 with good movement will play in the major leagues, if you have command...
2) Mazzaro and Sykes are both pretty similar to anything you could nab in the sandwich round, Sykes especially.

[alnorth]

DM apparently said this deal was better than anything he had available at the deadline last season before DDJ went down. If that is true (really?), then I would have rather taken my chances.

[Sure-Oz]

You know Francouer is heading to KC now that he is a FA, Dayton is drooling

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

You know Francouer is heading to KC now that he is a FA, Dayton is drooling

Don't even think that. (or at least not more than 1 year at the minimum salary if we really have to fill the spot) If you assume disaster it could happen.

[DeezNutz]

I don't know if there's anything that could incite the rage I felt after learning about the Betancourt trade and then, months later, the Kendall contract.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

1) Mazzaro has more upside than as a replacement-level guy. And he's got better than fringe stuff. He's a guy who in the minor leagues took some time at each level before feeling comfortable challenging hitters, which is when his stuff usually started to improve. 92-93 with good movement will play in the major leagues, if you have command...
2) Mazzaro and Sykes are both pretty similar to anything you could nab in the sandwich round, Sykes especially.

Sorry, but a guy that throws in the low 90's with a minor league WHIP of 1.37 over 500+ innings is a fringe major leaguer. Throw in the fact that his command is sub-par and you're looking at a guy with #4 starter upside. His major league numbers are below average and that's pitching for a sound defensive squad in a pitchers park in a weak division (Texas excluded). His road ERA is nearly a run higher than his home ERA and to end the season he went 0-6. The kid's just not very good - I'd be surprised if he's ever the equal of Jeff Suppan.

He's O'Sullivan with a bit more velocity. Hell, he might just be Brian Bannister again.

I'd take the sandwich pick without thinking twice.

[Sure-Oz]

I am glad DDJ is gone, he won't have a longterm future here and we may as well get what we can. I like him as a player, i will miss him blowing bubbles and his sandy vag.

Seriously though i wish him well in Oakland.

[Sure-Oz]

I am glad DDJ is gone, he won't have a longterm future here and we may as well get what we can. I like him as a player, i will miss him blowing bubbles and his sandy vag.

Seriously though i wish him well in Oakland.