2010 Kansas City Royals Repository thread

[SPchief]

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.


Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

[jbwm89]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I'm not really the one to ask about potential trades. I do like to go over the players involved in announced trades to come up with a snap opinion, but I usually think that dreaming up trades is generally a waste of time.

I do not think Greinke is going anywhere this winter unless we are blown away by an offer, simply because its not outside the realm of possibility that we could re-sign him. Teams who have been calling about Greinke have been telling the media that we are asking for a lot more than they are willing to give.

I agree, near the trade deadline we might see him go but the only way he gets moved this offseason is if we get a Montero type position player, a pitcher with an upside close to Greinke's and another fringe prospect.

I am also not sure the Yankees are convinced that Greinke can be successful in NY

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by jbwm89

I am also not sure the Yankees are convinced that Greinke can be successful in NY

I think he probably could in 1 or 2 seasons with a winning team, but the thing I'd be concerned about if I were the Yankees or Red Sox is re-signing him. They usually just take it for granted that once they get a player, well of course he's theirs until they dont want him anymore but I could imagine him traded to a team like that, play really well, and then say "nah, I've had enough of this city" when presented with a huge offer after 2012.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by alnorth

That depends on how well they do in 2011 and 2012. Greinke has already made it clear that he's not interested in maxing out his value, he wants two things: to play in a small or medium-sized market, and to win. If he believed the Royals were going to win he'd absolutely re-sign, and the Royals would have no problem with affording his contract.

Then it seems what the organization needs to do one of two things with Greinke this offseason:

1) Sign him to a two year extension, thus keeping him under contract through at least 2014.

or

2) Trade him for the best haul you can this offseason(C, CF, P).

[DeezNutz]

What is Greinke worth? Take a look at what Boston just sent SD and improve the overall quality. And if DM is looking for specific positions in return, he needs his ass kicked a little.

Top prospects. No matter the position because we're not "set" anywhere. The majority of the talent in our system will NOT develop as hoped. It never does. For anyone.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What is Greinke worth? Take a look at what Boston just sent SD and improve the overall quality.

Half a team.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Then it seems what the organization needs to do one of two things with Greinke this offseason:

1) Sign him to a two year extension, thus keeping him under contract through at least 2014.

or

2) Trade him for the best haul you can this offseason(C, CF, P).

Neither of these will likely happen, and probably shouldnt happen. His value does not decline between now and the July deadline. Unless we are blown away, there's no harm with going into the year hoping we are miraculously competitive, giving us a decent chance to re-sign him after 2011. I also imagine Zack would want a 4+ year deal at that point.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Neither of these will likely happen, and probably shouldnt happen. His value does not decline between now and the July deadline. Unless we are blown away, there's no harm with going into the year hoping we are miraculously competitive, giving us a decent chance to re-sign him after 2011. I also imagine Zack would want a 4+ year deal at that point.

Problem is this simply isn't going to happen.

Greinke could easily go out and start 0-8 again and teams will simply decide he's not worth as much as he is right now.

The team in 2011 is going to be considerable worse than 2010.

[DeezNutz]

Putting forth a decent effort in FA would also demonstrate something to Zack. If you remember correctly, he was one of the more vocal proponents of the Meche signing.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

2) Trade him for the best haul you can this offseason(C, CF, P).

Remember when Allard Baird would accept nothing other than a C, 3B and P for Carlos Beltran? Yeah, that worked out well.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Top prospects. No matter the position because we're not "set" anywhere. The majority of the talent in our system will NOT develop as hoped. It never does. For anyone.

Yes. This. A million times this. Every damned time we traded someone for X position, we got our ass kicked. Unless its something we dont even remotely need (1B/DH types), an A/B prospect is an A/B prospect. They can often learn a new position, and if there's a road block someone can be traded. When you trade a big fat blue chip you want value, worry about what you are going to do with all the little red and blue chips you get in return later.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Putting forth a decent effort in FA would also demonstrate something to Zack. If you remember correctly, he was one of the more vocal proponents of the Meche signing.

That, and being SMART in FA.....

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

The team in 2011 is going to be considerable worse than 2010.

Complete nonsense.

Right now, the Royals are better for several reasons: 1. Kendall is hurt. 2. Guillen is gone. 3. Ankiel is gone. 4. Spork is gone. 5. Right now I'm hoping for Betancourt to be gone.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Complete nonsense.

Right now, the Royals are better for several reasons: 1. Kendall is hurt. 2. Guillen is gone. 3. Ankiel is gone. 4. Spork is gone. 5. Right now I'm hoping for Betancourt to be gone.

pour me some of what you're drinking

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That, and being SMART in FA.....

Did we hire a new GM? Ok, I keed.

Yes, completely agree.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Greinke could easily go out and start 0-8 again and teams will simply decide he's not worth as much as he is right now.

That is wrong. Its not like us internet baseball nerds are brilliant and the GM's are all blind stat-monkeys, the rest of the league is fully aware of Greinke's motivation issues. As long as his stuff is there and his ERA isn't 6, people aren't going to be all that concerned about a few games.