2010 Kansas City Royals Repository thread

[SPchief]

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.


Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

[alnorth]

yep, bad news this afternoon. As many Royals fans have feared, the Royals are going after Jeff Francoeur. We are apparently also bidding against Colorado and the Phillies. This is a race we do not want to win.

Frenchy is not old, but he's also not good. He is about a 0.5 WAR right fielder (equal value on offense and defense, maybe a quarter point each), barely above replacement level. He's got a little power but thats it, his average and OBP are garbage for his position and he strikes out a lot.

He might be worth 1 or 2 years at 1 or 2 million per, but we've got prospects in the minors who can give us what he can give us basically for free. If we sign him for longer than 2 years and/or more than 3 million per, I will be unhappy.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

For all we know, his 2009 season was a fluke (or outlier, or however you want to term it). Nobody should be paying for that kind of production, because it isn't a reasonable expectation for what he's going to do going forward.


I don't buy that pitchers at the major league level can just turn on their games on and off simply at will. I'm surprised that you do. And in particular, I find it to be a very weak excuse for Greinke's "struggles" last year.

You have no idea about greinke then. He is literally crazy. He gets bored easily when not focused on a task. Hell he has tried throwing nothing but fastballs and softball pitches. He is great and a top ten if focused. Being on a winning team would do that. Hell he is a 20+ winner on 20+ teams not named the royals.

[KevB]

Buster Olney and John Heyman just commented on Greinke via Twitter. Neither are reporting a trade. Olney makes it sound like Lee will have to happen first, and that Jays aren't willing to go as far as the Royals want at this point. Heyman comments that if he were the Jays, he'd give up Drabek and Snider.

[DeezNutz]

[KevB]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Deez, if I weren't a Royals fan, I think I'd be rooting for a Greinke for Drabek 1 for 1 just to see the epic meltdown from you.

[teedubya]

Carl Crawford and Curtis Granderson are 2 of my most favorite NON-Royals...

I'm all for Crawford coming to KC.

[Demonpenz]

Apathy. I thought about getting some Royals Schwag or maybe a quarter season tickets then I remembered that they don't deserve my money or time other than just yapping baseball. cause I love yapping baseball.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by KevB

Deez, if I weren't a Royals fan, I think I'd be rooting for a Greinke for Drabek 1 for 1 just to see the epic meltdown from you.

Here's why I hate this shit. Drabek and Snider might end up being all-world. I doubt it, but they might. Cool.

But trading an elite pitcher for two top-50 players is ridiculously stupid when we could get the same return in 2 years (draft pick compensation), and Greinke would have far more value for KC in the interim.

When Montgomery, Lamb, and others (including the top position players) arrive, it would be nice if they weren't expected to be the stars from day one. Having established, high-quality players in place is essential, in my view, to develop a competitive team.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Valiant

You have no idea about greinke then. He is literally crazy. He gets bored easily when not focused on a task. Hell he has tried throwing nothing but fastballs and softball pitches. He is great and a top ten if focused. Being on a winning team would do that. Hell he is a 20+ winner on 20+ teams not named the royals.

I have a pretty good idea about what Greinke is, but boredom doesn't cause a pitcher to regress like that. It's far more likely that 2009 was just an outlier.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

But trading an elite pitcher for two top-50 players is ridiculously stupid when we could get the same return in 2 years (draft pick compensation), and Greinke would have far more value for KC in the interim.

Draft pick compensation isn't anywhere near what Drabek and Snider are worth.

The two years of Greinke are certainly valuable, but they lack value to a Royal team that won't be contending until 2013 at the earliest.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Draft pick compensation isn't anywhere near what Drabek and Snider are worth.

The two years of Greinke are certainly valuable, but they lack value to a Royal team that won't be contending until 2013 at the earliest.

Snider is more "known," but I'll take a compensatory pick over a young pitcher who has already had Tommy John's.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Snider is more "known," but I'll take a compensatory pick over a young pitcher who has already had Tommy John's.

the draftabulators at it again

[KevB]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Snider is more "known," but I'll take a compensatory pick over a young pitcher who has already had Tommy John's.

Especially with DM's current track record

[The Poz]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Pack your sweater Zach. Toronto is cold. Like, all the time.

And where did you get that info from? Ever been up here between May and October? Can get pretty damn hot.

As for the possible trade...
"According to Buster Olney of ESPN.com, the Blue Jays will not make a trade for Zack Greinke at the Royals' current asking price.
Olney suspects that the Royals may gradually lower that price, especially once Cliff Lee signs and Greinke becomes the best pitcher available. The 27-year-old righty boasts a 3.82 career ERA and 1.26 WHIP. He's under control for two more years at $13.5 million per season and has expressed a desire to be moved. But, of course, it's going to take a serious package of prospects."

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's why I hate this shit. Drabek and Snider might end up being all-world. I doubt it, but they might. Cool.

But trading an elite pitcher for two top-50 players is ridiculously stupid when we could get the same return in 2 years (draft pick compensation), and Greinke would have far more value for KC in the interim.

When Montgomery, Lamb, and others (including the top position players) arrive, it would be nice if they weren't expected to be the stars from day one. Having established, high-quality players in place is essential, in my view, to develop a competitive team.

I think the final package will be more than just the two rumored players, but they keep getting mentioned because they're the main pieces. 4 or 5 prospects would be the likely total package.

Also, a lot can happen between now and when Greinke is a FA. He could do awesome or he could fall apart and tear his labrum. MLB could do away with draft comp for FAs that leave.

You're also not at all considering the $27MM we will save that could be used in the draft, international market, or on FAs during our run for respectability beginning in 2012.

It sucks losing a talent like Greinke, but keeping him for $27MM to win 72 games instead of 68 games isn't worth adding 4 more top prospects that could help us actually make the playoffs in a few years.