2010 Kansas City Royals Repository thread

[SPchief]

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.


Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are you just illiterate?

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Could someone help me with this, please?

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[KC_Connection]

I forgot perhaps the best example of a guy with a poor K/BB becoming an elite hitter:

Ryan Braun MILB line: .313/.375/.572, 70 BB, 151 K
Ryan Braun MLB line: .307/.364/.554, 184 BB, 467 K

[KC_Connection]

Sammy Sosa MLB line: .273/.344/.534, 929 BB, 2306 K, 8813 AB

Maybe Snider needs to get on the roids.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You're not being at all specific here.

But what kind of strikeout rate can you have, then? You're the expert writing off 22 year olds here. Is there like this set number that a player can't go over?

In the immortal words of Justice Potter Stewart - "I know it when I see it..."

When you go through his numbers - those figures jump off the page. They come off ahead of his OPS, his HR #s, etc... Just look at them - those are clearly not typical. I don't know what my cutoff is, but I know that Travis Snider's way the hell beyond it.

You want to just ignore them because he's 22, but those are not numbers you ignore when they're that extreme.

I suppose it's kinda like the marriage question - if you have to ask if you should get married, then you probably shouldn't. If you have to ask if his numbers are close to the line? They probably aren't.

Travis Snider's are nowhere close to the line. That kind of command of the strike zone is highly unlikely to improve significantly. Yeah, I'm comfortable writing him off as a superstar. I certainly wouldn't be willing to include him as a primary component of a trade for a legitimate major league star.

But I tell you what - here's your argument: Jay Bruce.

Their minor league numbers are stunningly similar. And I figure Jay Bruce will be one of the next true superstars. But what Bruce has done (and in similar circumstances to Snider, with injuries, etc...) is improve incrimentally at all those peripheral stats at the major league level and he's done it every season.

It wasn't until Snider got to the major league level and swung at everything they threw up there that I lost faith in him. Bruce didn't do that.

Like it or not - historically, that means a hell of a lot.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

In the immortal words of Justice Potter Stewart - "I know it when I see it..."

Bullshit, there is no set objective standard that suggests that Travis Snider will never become an elite hitter in the major leagues. He's obviously not going to become the next Manny Ramirez, but that doesn't mean he won't carry some significant value in this league for the next decade.

You want to just ignore them because he's 22, but those are not numbers you ignore when they're that extreme.

Nobody is ignoring anything. I'm fully aware of what Snider's strengths and weaknesses. In order to write off this young a player, though, you are just reading far too much into them.

But I tell you what - here's your argument: Jay Bruce.

Their minor league numbers are stunningly similar. And I figure Jay Bruce will be one of the next true superstars. But what Bruce has done (and in similar circumstances to Snider, with injuries, etc...) is improve incrimentally at all those peripheral stats at the major league level and he's done it every season.

It wasn't until Snider got to the major league level and swung at everything they threw up there that I lost faith in him. Bruce didn't do that.

Like it or not - historically, that means a hell of a lot.

Hold on, you think Bruce is going to be a star despite their identical minor league numbers on the basis of 600 AB in two injury filled, Cito Gaston-altered seasons? That small a sample size is really affecting your opinion that much?

Jay Bruce MILB: .308/.366/.551, 127 BB, 342 K, 1359 AB
Travis Snider's MILB: .302/.376/.530, 170 BB, 401 K, 1412 AB

Jay Bruce MLB: .257/.327/.474, 129 BB, 321 K, 1267 AB
Travis Snider MLB: .255/.318/.446, 184 BB, 467 K, 612 AB

Bruce didn't take any of these steps forward until last year (his age 23 year), but you're prepared to write off Snider after his age 22 year?

This isn't making sense.

[alnorth]

Lots of Greinke rumors popping up today, especially since Cliff Lee is probably going to finally make up his mind today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915164

According to ESPN, Dayton Moore is now actively looking through the offers, and apparently both Texas and New York rank way down the list because they apparently do not have enough of what we are looking for. The Brewers are interested, but they also dont have what we want.

According to the stories, it sounds like the Blue Jays and the Nationals are the two interested teams who most likely have what we want, its just a matter of if either of them want Greinke badly enough to meet our demands.

Seperately, aside from the teams mentioned above, a story from SI mentions the Dodgers as a possible trading partner.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Seperately, aside from the teams mentioned above, a story from SI mentions the Dodgers as a possible trading partner.

I've heard that too and I just don't get why the Dodgers would be interested. Their rotation looks to be full already with Kershaw, Billingsley, Garland, Lilly, and Kuroda, and they just resigned Padilla to be a 6th starter/long reliever.

They obviously aren't going to trade Kershaw, and I can't see why acquiring any of the other pitchers would make sense for us.

[DeezNutz]

We've talked a lot about the Jays, but we haven't mentioned the Nats too much. What are the pieces being speculated about? Thoughts on them?

[DeezNutz]

Going into 2010, their farm system wasn't too strong, according to reports...

[MVChiefFan]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Lots of Greinke rumors popping up today, especially since Cliff Lee is probably going to finally make up his mind today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915164

According to ESPN, Dayton Moore is now actively looking through the offers, and apparently both Texas and New York rank way down the list because they apparently do not have enough of what we are looking for. The Brewers are interested, but they also dont have what we want.

According to the stories, it sounds like the Blue Jays and the Nationals are the two interested teams who most likely have what we want, its just a matter of if either of them want Greinke badly enough to meet our demands.

Seperately, aside from the teams mentioned above, a story from SI mentions the Dodgers as a possible trading partner.

Uh, I think Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder will do just fine, thanks.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Going into 2010, their farm system wasn't too strong, according to reports...

thats not necessarily a concern since we aren't trading for their whole farm system, just a few players. Almost everyone has a few good players. Looks to me like the Nats have shortstops to spare.

From Royals fans who follow this way more than I do, the names I am hearing from the Nats are Jordan Zimmerman, Danny Espinosa, and Ian Desmond. Obviously not all 3 of them (we dont need 2 SS), but 1 or 2 of them would have to be included, plus maybe other players we haven't heard of yet as throw-ins.

Zimmerman, RHP, young kid, did well in the minors, not as well in the majors, but the Nats obviously rushed him WAY too quickly, half year in low A, full year in high A and AA, then off to Washington he went. Started 23 games in MLB, but only 5 games in his whole life in AAA.

Espinosa, SS, drafted out of college, rocketed through the minors in 2 years, respectable OBP and lots of power (for a shortstop). Still showed power in his brief 100+ AB stop at the majors this year. No idea how good his glove is.

Diamond, SS drafted out of high school, not much power but very high OBP in the minors, looking at his stats he doesn't look like he has anything left to prove, did pretty well in AAA, he's now about as old as Espinosa.

edit: Diamond has a rather high number of errors in AAA. He might not have a good glove.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by MVChiefFan

Uh, I think Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder will do just fine, thanks.

The Braun rumor was knocked down long ago. We aren't getting Braun, and the Brewers probably dont have much to offer with him off the table.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Lots of Greinke rumors popping up today, especially since Cliff Lee is probably going to finally make up his mind today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5915164

According to ESPN, Dayton Moore is now actively looking through the offers, and apparently both Texas and New York rank way down the list because they apparently do not have enough of what we are looking for. The Brewers are interested, but they also dont have what we want.

According to the stories, it sounds like the Blue Jays and the Nationals are the two interested teams who most likely have what we want, its just a matter of if either of them want Greinke badly enough to meet our demands.

Seperately, aside from the teams mentioned above, a story from SI mentions the Dodgers as a possible trading partner.

If the Nats would include Strasburg in the deal I MAY think about it.....though he may turn into another Mark Prior after his arm injury

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by alnorth

thats not necessarily a concern since we aren't trading for their whole farm system, just a few players. Almost everyone has a few good players. Looks to me like the Nats have shortstops to spare.

From Royals fans who follow this way more than I do, the names I am hearing from the Nats are Jordan Zimmerman, Danny Espinosa, and Ian Desmond. Obviously not all 3 of them (we dont need 2 SS), but 1 or 2 of them would have to be included, plus maybe other players we haven't heard of yet as throw-ins.

Zimmerman, RHP, young kid, did well in the minors, not as well in the majors, but the Nats obviously rushed him WAY too quickly, half year in low A, full year in high A and AA, then off to Washington he went. Started 23 games in MLB, but only 5 games in his whole life in AAA.

Espinosa, SS, drafted out of college, rocketed through the minors in 2 years, respectable OBP and lots of power (for a shortstop). Still showed power in his brief 100+ AB stop at the majors this year. No idea how good his glove is.

Diamond, SS drafted out of high school, not much power but very high OBP in the minors, looking at his stats he doesn't look like he has anything left to prove, did pretty well in AAA, he's now about as old as Espinosa.

Thanks. I don't know much about any of these players. Guess I would have to:

Trust the process.

[CoMoChief]

This team is nothing more than a ****ing farm team playing in the big leagues.

First Dye, then Damon, then Beltran, now Greinke, up next is probably Soria...and it won't too long before Alex Gordon gets going (possibly) and once that starts you can kiss him goodbye too. And if Moosetacos ever comes and becomes a good player, he's going to leave too.

This is the same ongoing shit we've seen for years. It doesn't matter who the GM is, who our manager is.....Glass runs the ****in show.....if he doesn't wanna pay one of our good players or he starts to outplay his current contract he will immediately look to trade him for some minor league prosepcts. Then once they get good (if they get good) it will be the same deal with them. They'll get traded.

I dont know why people continue to think the Royals will ever be competitive in this modern day league. They even play in the worst division in baseball and will still play for at best 3rd place in the division.