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SPchief · 04:22 PM

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.

Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

When did the standard become elite?

Most of those guys are very good pitchers. If Drabek could become something resembling AJ Burnett (at least his Florida/Toronto form), that would be just fine.

The standard became elite when we started having a discussion about trading an ace to your team in exchange for a player with a significant injury already on the books.

We need #1 upside.

Did that list really include Kerry Wood? Seriously?

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The standard became elite when we started having a discussion about trading an ace to your team in exchange for a player with a significant injury already on the books.

We need #1 upside.

#1. I've never claimed Kyle Drabek had #1 upside.
#2. As I said, don't get your hopes up. Fair value for Greinke will be nearly impossible to acquire unless Brian Sabean/Ned Coletti does something stupid.

**Saul Good** · 12-17-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Did that list really include Kerry Wood? Seriously?

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

He's still making millions playing professional baseball, though. I think he'll take it.

**Saul Good** · 12-17-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He's still making millions playing professional baseball, though. I think he'll take it.

He will take it. I'm not sure the Cubs are thrilled, though.

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

He will take it. I'm not sure the Cubs are thrilled, though.

For $1.5M this year, they should be.

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Of course it did. Wood just bounced right back and fulfilled his potential, right?

As I noted in this thread earlier, Strasburg is going to be the definitive case study, IMO, on the impact of TJ surgery. Sick tools and unbelievable upside.

Let's see how this kid responds. If he becomes Kerry Wood II, I never ever want to hear about how the procedure is "no big deal."

**Saul Good** · 12-17-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

For $1.5M this year, they should be.

The Royals can pay me $1.5M to go pitch, and I'd be thrilled. Unfortunately, you don't judge a team's success by how happy their players are about being millionaires/

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

As I noted in this thread earlier, Strasburg is going to be the definitive case study, IMO, on the impact of TJ surgery. Sick tools and unbelievable upside.

Let's see how this kid responds. If he becomes Kerry Wood II, I never ever want to hear about how the procedure is "no big deal."

All pitchers are huge injury risks, whether they've had TJ or not.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...s-part-2-of-2/

**Saul Good** · 12-17-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

As I noted in this thread earlier, Strasburg is going to be the definitive case study, IMO, on the impact of TJ surgery. Sick tools and unbelievable upside.

Let's see how this kid responds. If he becomes Kerry Wood II, I never ever want to hear about how the procedure is "no big deal."

The procedure is a very big deal. It can be overcome, but it's still a big freaking deal. Hell, ask Strasburg and the Nationals if it's a big deal.

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 03:00 PM

From the BP article:

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That Tommy John surgery seems all too common is perhaps the best measure of its success. While there is still a failure rate of 10 to 15 percent, most of these happen on younger subjects. It would be more accurate to say that the pitcher fails himself in most cases, rather than the surgery being the problem. Some think the procedure is becoming too common, with younger and younger patients. Others want to have their "prospect" son given the procedure when young so as to avoid it later.

While there are faults, the surgery and the team behind the procedures have made baseball better. One in nine pitchers would not be on the field without it, further diluting the pitching population. Frank Jobe's experiment on a desperate pitcher has become a part of America's game, a routine procedure taken for granted. That alone is pretty amazing.

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

All pitchers are huge injury risks, whether they've had TJ or not.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...s-part-2-of-2/

Yes, everyone in this thread knows this already. The human body isn't meant for it.

Again, this is why Greinke, who is not a max-effort guy and has one of the most fluid and smooth deliveries in the game, is even more valuable. If you're going to make a bet on who will stay healthy, he would be a good person to put your money on.

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yes, everyone in this thread knows this already. The human body isn't meant for it.

So if they're all injury risks with more or less the same % of getting hurt, why worry so much about one guy whose had TJ?

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Again, this is why Greinke, who is not a max-effort guy and has one of the most fluid and smooth deliveries in the game, is even more valuable. If you're going to make a bet on who will stay healthy, he would be a good person to put your money on.

I don't disagree.

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2010, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

So if they're all injury risks with more or less the same % of getting hurt, why worry so much about one guy whose had TJ?

I don't disagree.

Well, I suppose I'll use this analogy: If I can buy one of two beautiful used cars, equal miles and equal performance ratings, and I know that one has been wrecked, which do you think I'm buying (even though the dealer insists that each is just as good as the other)?

KC_Connection · 12-17-2010, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well, I suppose I'll use this analogy: If I can buy one of two beautiful used cars, equal miles and equal performance ratings, and I know that one has been wrecked, which do you think I'm buying (even though the dealer insists that each is just as good as the other)?

That analogy only works only if you equate being wrecked with a successful TJ surgery. I don't.

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