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SPchief · 04:22 PM

All Royals All The Time!

After consultation with others who peruse the game threads we decided to create this as a repository for all things Royals. Minor league news, AL (ahem) Central (thanks Vonne) news and anything Royals can be found here.

alnorth, me and atleast 5 others will continue the game threads as usual. But if you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

If a big story breaks, you can still start a thread about it. There is merely an all inclusive thread that will make a easy for us all to keep up with all things Royals.

Welcome! "Grab a Brew... don't cost nuthin"...[spills beer on feet]

siberian khatru · 12-21-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Those Greinke threads probably need to die, so I'll put this here. Cool interview today with one of the editors of Baseball America on the Royals farm system. (according to him, the Royals farm is so good, that the gap between them and #2 is about the same as the gap between #2 and #8)

12-21 podcast, 3rd one with JJ Cooper, you have to skip ahead to about the 15 minute mark because they first spend time on other topics and what Billy Butler said about Greinke.

http://www.610sports.com/pages/5282388.php?

Interesting comments on Wil Myers that I hadnt thought of. We all expect him to move off catcher and into RF at some point because his defense hasn't been that good, if his bat is that good and it will take him another couple years to develop his defense you'd rather not wait, etc. There's another reason that seems obvious now, but no one really talked about much.

If Wil Myers is projecting out to possibly be one of those legendary triple crown threat type of hitters, then if it actually works out and he does fulfill that kind of lofty potential then you want him to play every day. If he's a right fielder, he probably plays 159 or so games a year. If he's a catcher, he might play only 120 games a year like Joe Mauer. That is a lot of production you miss out on if he's got an elite-level bat.

If he was a great catcher or we were chock full of good outfield prospects that would be one thing, but we're not and his glove doesnt look like it would ever improve above "below-average catcher", so I'd want him to bat every day.

I can grok that.

Counter-arguments:

* If he's a C, you could DH him a few games, but that would take at-bats away from Butler and Hosmer (Butler will DH, but you could play him at 1B to give Hosmer an occasional day off and DH Myers).

* Piazza played 135-150 games most of his career and was a poor defender.

* You could plug the corner OF hole via trade or free agency a lot easier than finding a good bat at C; that way you have two good bats in the lineup instead of Myers in the OF and some catch-and-throw guy behind the plate.

But I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate.

**alnorth** · 12-21-2010, 06:59 PM

interesting article from Olney today. Apparently Ned Yost was given veto power on the trade since he was familiar with the Brewers, but he argued for it because he liked both Cain and Escobar. To me, that says Cain and Escobar are definitely going to be the starting CF and SS, as they should.

**Saul Good** · 12-21-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

interesting article from Olney today. Apparently Ned Yost was given veto power on the trade since he was familiar with the Brewers, but he argued for it because he liked both Cain and Escobar. To me, that says Cain and Escobar are definitely going to be the starting CF and SS, as they should.

I think there's a decent chance that the Royals are better this year with this trade than they would have been had they not made the trade. Even though it was made with the future in mind, I'll take whatever these guys bring to the table versus 2010 Zack.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2010, 07:18 PM

We've moved to stage four:

1. The Realization.
2. The Actual Realization.
3. The Depression.
4. The Rage.

Recovery is but two stages away! Right around the corner!

(and the blah blah blah still sucks donkey blah blah blah on paper)

duncan_idaho · 12-21-2010, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Those Greinke threads probably need to die, so I'll put this here. Cool interview today with one of the editors of Baseball America on the Royals farm system. (according to him, the Royals farm is so good, that the gap between them and #2 is about the same as the gap between #2 and #8)

12-21 podcast, 3rd one with JJ Cooper, you have to skip ahead to about the 15 minute mark because they first spend time on other topics and what Billy Butler said about Greinke.

http://www.610sports.com/pages/5282388.php?

Interesting comments on Wil Myers that I hadnt thought of. We all expect him to move off catcher and into RF at some point because his defense hasn't been that good, if his bat is that good and it will take him another couple years to develop his defense you'd rather not wait, etc. There's another reason that seems obvious now, but no one really talked about much.

If Wil Myers is projecting out to possibly be one of those legendary triple crown threat type of hitters, then if it actually works out and he does fulfill that kind of lofty potential then you want him to play every day. If he's a right fielder, he probably plays 159 or so games a year. If he's a catcher, he might play only 120 games a year like Joe Mauer. That is a lot of production you miss out on if he's got an elite-level bat.

If he was a great catcher or we were chock full of good outfield prospects that would be one thing, but we're not and his glove doesnt look like it would ever improve above "below-average catcher", so I'd want him to bat every day.

I think bringing up a great young offensive player as a catcher is a waste unless you're just loaded with offense elsewhere.

It lessens the No. of games that guy can play in a season, and also shortens the length of his career. Give me a RF who plays 150 games over a C who plays 125 any day.

If Myers ends up being your franchise guy, the one (or one of the ones) you give huge money to, wouldn't you rather be looking at him being productive in his mid-30s rather than out of baseball?

I know Mauer is a GG catcher, but is that worth losing 3-4 prime years of production from him?

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think bringing up a great young offensive player as a catcher is a waste unless you're just loaded with offense elsewhere.

It lessens the No. of games that guy can play in a season, and also shortens the length of his career. Give me a RF who plays 150 games over a C who plays 125 any day.

If Myers ends up being your franchise guy, the one (or one of the ones) you give huge money to, wouldn't you rather be looking at him being productive in his mid-30s rather than out of baseball?

I know Mauer is a GG catcher, but is that worth losing 3-4 prime years of production from him?

Exactly. All this talk about a "premium position" with respect to Myers is completely misguided. We have NOTHING. Thus, we should do our best to protect and groom our best prospects and most important investments.

**Saul Good** · 12-21-2010, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think bringing up a great young offensive player as a catcher is a waste unless you're just loaded with offense elsewhere.

It lessens the No. of games that guy can play in a season, and also shortens the length of his career. Give me a RF who plays 150 games over a C who plays 125 any day.

If Myers ends up being your franchise guy, the one (or one of the ones) you give huge money to, wouldn't you rather be looking at him being productive in his mid-30s rather than out of baseball?

I know Mauer is a GG catcher, but is that worth losing 3-4 prime years of production from him?

If you're a small market team that probably won't be able to re-sign him anyway? Maybe...

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2010, 08:06 PM

What? There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't re-sign him. Well, financially speaking, at least.

We're getting a shit ton in revenue sharing. We can afford a couple of elite talents.

**Saul Good** · 12-21-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What? There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't re-sign him. Well, financially speaking, at least.

We're getting a shit ton in revenue sharing. We can afford a couple of elite talents.

My point is that the Royals should be a lot more concerned about maximizing the first 8-10 years of his career rather than prolonging the career of a player who may or may not be wearing blue at age 34.

**alnorth** · 12-21-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What? There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't re-sign him. Well, financially speaking, at least.

We're getting a shit ton in revenue sharing. We can afford a couple of elite talents.

the obvious response is something silly about Beltran, our likely 2012 payroll, etc. There, I saved him from doing it, so there's no need to type out something dumb.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

My point is that the Royals should be a lot more concerned about maximizing the first 8-10 years of his career rather than prolonging the career of a player who may or may not be wearing blue at age 34.

Yes, then we agree.

If we don't re-sign a significant portion of the talent we develop, however, we'll be stupid to continue to support this franchise.

**alnorth** · 12-21-2010, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

My point is that the Royals should be a lot more concerned about maximizing the first 8-10 years of his career rather than prolonging the career of a player who may or may not be wearing blue at age 34.

Players may be past their peak after 30, but the elite players are still damned good until about 34 or so. There's no reason why we cant have a few of them when it makes a difference. (It doesnt make a difference now)

**Saul Good** · 12-21-2010, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yes, then we agree.

If we don't re-sign a significant portion of the talent we develop, however, we'll be stupid to continue to support this franchise.

I agree for the most part, but I also wouldn't mind being a team that can get some value from 32+ y/o mashers in order to keep the pipeline full rather than tie up a bunch of money on players that are quickly passing their primes.

**alnorth** · 12-21-2010, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Yes, then we agree.

If we don't re-sign a significant portion of the talent we develop, however, we'll be stupid to continue to support this franchise.

I am absolutely serious when I say this: I can understand Damon and Beltran because the revenue sharing we had back then was crap. Its not anymore. If we put together a really awesome team in 2013 and 2014, and then slash/burn down to a cheap payroll again, I'll be pissed. I can understand doing it now because buying old washed up vets is stupid, we should bank that money, but if we have a good team we should use that profit, then cut down only to the breakeven.

If we cut everyone in 2017 or whatever to bank profits I'll pick a new team.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2010, 08:19 PM

There will be no choice, al. At that point, we'd then be crossing the line from "loyal fans" to "without common sense."

The other major factor for the Royals is that I believe that slot signing bonuses are on the horizon, thus eliminating the advantage that we've enjoyed in the draft since '07. We need to make great use of the next couple of drafts, realizing that this option will begin to normalize.

And then we'll need to put even more money into LA, payroll, and FA because there will be no other options.

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