Grbackers clearly in the minority...

Clint in Wichita · 09-03-2000, 08:04 PM

at least among ticket-purchasing fans. I agree that booing your own team is pretty lame, but when Grbac was introduced (yes, before the game had even started), he was met with about a 50/50 mix of cheers and boos.

After his last atrocious pass attempt, he was booed off the field by a chorus of boos like I've never heard before. He just stood there with his hands on his hips, staring at the crowd. Who knows what he was thinking, but his body language suggested that his spirit was broken.

Like it or not, his support is rapidly dwindling.

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donkhater · 09-03-2000, 08:08 PM

I'm not sure I get the thinking behind some fans. Many think he sucks, yet readily admit that if he goes down the season is definately in the tank. What gives?

You play with who ya have. At least with the RB's there is an alternative to Bennett's 1/2 yard runs.

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DaWolf · 09-03-2000, 08:15 PM

C'mon Clint, what support? This guy is probably the most hated athlete currently playing for a pro franchise in this city. He's never going to win over the fans here. I've already said that he could throw 6 TD's, no INT's, 400 yards, and if the reciever drops a pass at the end of that game to lose it, Grbac is going to get booed.

If his spirit was going to be broken, it would have happened a long time ago. This game certainly wasn't going to do it. He's a guy that cannot afford to make a single mistake or cannot afford his teammates to make a single mistake otherwise he is going to get vilified. I saw some good things out there. I saw a competetive fire and I saw him make precision 3rd down passes to keep drives alive but get them dropped, I saw him throw 2 TD's and have a 3rd dropped. There was no support out there. The INT was a killer, but not the only culprit. His last atrocious pass attempt came a play after a very nice pass which was droped by Alexander. A guy is not going to be on the money every time. Manning threw a bad INT at the goal line, had two others dropped, and badly overthrew a wide open reciever in his end zone, but he could afford to get away with it because his team was not playing like crap around him. This is not to try and compare the two, because Manning is obviously much better, but I've seen him have better days...

donkhater · 09-03-2000, 08:20 PM

Hell DaWolf, Manning should have been intercepted three times. Hasty and Edwards dropped two. Maybe they thought they were KC receivers.

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stevieray · 09-03-2000, 08:20 PM

Excellent post, Wolf...Sad but true.

Cannibal · 09-03-2000, 08:46 PM

One thing is for sure, Elvis Grbac [b]is NOT[/b] a championship caliber QB and never will be.

How long do we have to go through this? He did improve from being the second worst QB in the entire league in 98 last year. But he's still mistake waiting to happen. He's not dependable. He definitely not a playmaker.

Why can't KC bite the F'n bullet and get a playmaking star under center?!?!?!

I like our starting HB.
I like Morris and Lockett.
We have a great O-line.
We have a great TE.

The only thing missing on O is an accurate QB who can improvise and make the right decisions at the right times.

Those last two throws at the end of the game were terrible.

Cannibal · 09-03-2000, 08:49 PM

Has anyone ever heard of an audible?

Why can't Grbac do this? If any of you ever watch K-State, you'll see that their starting QB calls new plays at the line of scrimmage routinely. He's a college QB and he can handle it, why can't Grbac?<P>

donkhater · 09-03-2000, 08:49 PM

OK Cannibal, I agree. But would Collins or Moon be better. I doubt it. Clearly he had a good enough season last year to warrent another year. Besides, who was available? George? No thanks.

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Duck Dog · 09-03-2000, 08:52 PM

Elvis would be much better if he had some mobility. If qwe are going to employ a 'classic' pocket passer..he had better get more accurate. The dropped balls don't help either.

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Cannibal · 09-03-2000, 08:55 PM

We need to trade up in the draft and get a QB.

The Chiefs missed out in 99. They could have taken Daute Culpepper in the first round, or they could have taken Shaun King in the second round last year, but instead they took Mike Cloud.<P>

donkhater · 09-03-2000, 08:57 PM

Culpepper was gone before the Chiefs drafted. They could've had 'The Freak' though. You can have Shaun King.

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G_Man · 09-03-2000, 08:57 PM

Cannibal - Culpepper was taken before our pick (#11, I believe?). Even if he was available I still would have gone with Tait. King is not that great either, but he is better than grbac probably.

DaWolf · 09-03-2000, 08:57 PM

OK, maybe the last throw was terrible, but the throw before that was right in the breadbasket for Alexander, all he had to do was catch it and the last throw wouldn't have been made.

Tell me exactly how to bite the bullet and get a star QB under center? There aren't many of them in the NFL that are available. Elvis was likee No 3 or 4 in the AFC last year. That should tell you how many better QB's there are.

To me, blaming Grbac for today is like saying Troy Aikman is a horrible QB after his team collapsed around him today. There are way more pressing concerns about this team than the QB. 8 dropped passes and a bend but try to get the turnover defense are more pressing concerns. Dumb penalties are more pressing concerns. Not dropping interceptions is a more pressing concern. Better punts and better punt coverage are more pressing concerns. MAybe Grbac isn't a Super Bowl caliber QB, but this team around him is obviously not super bowl caliber. Is Troy Aikman not Super Bowl caliber now or does his team suck? Was Chris Chandler Super Bowl caliber, or was his supporting cast excellent? Neil O'Donnell? Hostetler? Rypien? There are not too many Favres or Elways available out there. We need to concentrate on making this team better, not just the QB. Sure, if you find a Super Bowl QB out there, bring him in, but IMO there are way more pressing concerns than a guy who accounted for all our offense by throwing 2 TDs and has 8 passes dropped.

Cannibal · 09-03-2000, 08:59 PM

I thought Culpepper was taken with the 15th pick.

My mistake if he was taken earlier.

Mosbonian · 09-03-2000, 09:02 PM

I was disappointed in different aspects of Elvis' play today, but I am not yet willing to give Elvis to the citizenry banging at the castle door to hang him from the gallows.

We had a large number of people to blame today.

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09-03-2000, 08:04 PM	Topic Starter
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	at least among ticket-purchasing fans. I agree that booing your own team is pretty lame, but when Grbac was introduced (yes, before the game had even started), he was met with about a 50/50 mix of cheers and boos. After his last atrocious pass attempt, he was booed off the field by a chorus of boos like I've never heard before. He just stood there with his hands on his hips, staring at the crowd. Who knows what he was thinking, but his body language suggested that his spirit was broken. Like it or not, his support is rapidly dwindling. ------------------ This is my signature!! There are many like it but this one is mine!!
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09-03-2000, 08:08 PM	#2
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	I'm not sure I get the thinking behind some fans. Many think he sucks, yet readily admit that if he goes down the season is definately in the tank. What gives? You play with who ya have. At least with the RB's there is an alternative to Bennett's 1/2 yard runs. ------------------ Donkhater
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09-03-2000, 08:15 PM	#3
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	C'mon Clint, what support? This guy is probably the most hated athlete currently playing for a pro franchise in this city. He's never going to win over the fans here. I've already said that he could throw 6 TD's, no INT's, 400 yards, and if the reciever drops a pass at the end of that game to lose it, Grbac is going to get booed. If his spirit was going to be broken, it would have happened a long time ago. This game certainly wasn't going to do it. He's a guy that cannot afford to make a single mistake or cannot afford his teammates to make a single mistake otherwise he is going to get vilified. I saw some good things out there. I saw a competetive fire and I saw him make precision 3rd down passes to keep drives alive but get them dropped, I saw him throw 2 TD's and have a 3rd dropped. There was no support out there. The INT was a killer, but not the only culprit. His last atrocious pass attempt came a play after a very nice pass which was droped by Alexander. A guy is not going to be on the money every time. Manning threw a bad INT at the goal line, had two others dropped, and badly overthrew a wide open reciever in his end zone, but he could afford to get away with it because his team was not playing like crap around him. This is not to try and compare the two, because Manning is obviously much better, but I've seen him have better days...
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09-03-2000, 08:20 PM	#4
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Hell DaWolf, Manning should have been intercepted three times. Hasty and Edwards dropped two. Maybe they thought they were KC receivers. ------------------ Donkhater
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09-03-2000, 08:20 PM	#5
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1144727	Excellent post, Wolf...Sad but true.
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09-03-2000, 08:46 PM	#6
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	One thing is for sure, Elvis Grbac [b]is NOT[/b] a championship caliber QB and never will be. How long do we have to go through this? He did improve from being the second worst QB in the entire league in 98 last year. But he's still mistake waiting to happen. He's not dependable. He definitely not a playmaker. Why can't KC bite the F'n bullet and get a playmaking star under center?!?!?! I like our starting HB. I like Morris and Lockett. We have a great O-line. We have a great TE. The only thing missing on O is an accurate QB who can improvise and make the right decisions at the right times. Those last two throws at the end of the game were terrible.
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09-03-2000, 08:49 PM	#7
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	Has anyone ever heard of an audible? Why can't Grbac do this? If any of you ever watch K-State, you'll see that their starting QB calls new plays at the line of scrimmage routinely. He's a college QB and he can handle it, why can't Grbac?<P>
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09-03-2000, 08:52 PM	#9
Duck Dog Reap the whirlwind Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $10004900	Elvis would be much better if he had some mobility. If qwe are going to employ a 'classic' pocket passer..he had better get more accurate. The dropped balls don't help either. ------------------ [b]~Duckaholic~[/b] [i]Shoot 'em in the lips</I>
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09-03-2000, 08:55 PM	#10
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	We need to trade up in the draft and get a QB. The Chiefs missed out in 99. They could have taken Daute Culpepper in the first round, or they could have taken Shaun King in the second round last year, but instead they took Mike Cloud.<P>
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09-03-2000, 08:57 PM	#11
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Culpepper was gone before the Chiefs drafted. They could've had 'The Freak' though. You can have Shaun King. ------------------ Donkhater
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09-03-2000, 08:57 PM	#12
G_Man Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Cannibal - Culpepper was taken before our pick (#11, I believe?). Even if he was available I still would have gone with Tait. King is not that great either, but he is better than grbac probably.
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09-03-2000, 08:59 PM	#14
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	I thought Culpepper was taken with the 15th pick. My mistake if he was taken earlier.
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09-03-2000, 09:02 PM	#15
Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1150300	I was disappointed in different aspects of Elvis' play today, but I am not yet willing to give Elvis to the citizenry banging at the castle door to hang him from the gallows. We had a large number of people to blame today. mmaddog ************** ------------------ "When you're not the lead dog in the pack, the view is always the same"
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