KC Star: Chiefs Legal Update 8/18

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Chiefs kicker faces battery charges
Tynes allegedly broke nose of bouncer at River Falls bar

By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

RIVER FALLS, Wis. — Trying to make light of a grave situation, Lawrence Tynes’ Chiefs teammates have taken to calling him “Killer.”

When the joking subsided, those familiar with Tynes, a second-year place-kicker, say the felony substantial battery and misdemeanor battery charges filed against him for his role in a bar fight are out of character.

Police painted a different picture of Tynes for his part in an incident at Boomer’s, a River Falls night club, early Sunday morning. According to the police report, Tynes punched in the face first one bar customer and later a bar bouncer, the latter receiving a broken nose. Police said Tynes was agitated and tried to re-enter the bar after being escorted out.

Tynes made his initial appearance in Pierce County Circuit Court in Ellsworth, Wis., on Wednesday morning, district attorney John O’Boyle said. He signed a $15,000 signature bond and was released. A preliminary hearing was scheduled for Oct. 11.

The substantial battery charge carries a maximum penalty of a $10,000 fine or jail sentence of 3½ years or both. The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of a $10,000 fine or nine months in jail or both.

Police said video obtained from a security camera at the bar showed Tynes bumping into the bar patron, whom they identified as 25-year-old Bradley Daryl Roy of River Falls. After the two talked for a moment, Tynes was seen throwing his drink at Roy and then attacking him, police said.

According to the report, Tynes is later seen striking the bar bouncer, Brian J. Roquette, 27, of River Falls, in the face.

No one else was charged in the incident.

River Falls Police Capt. John Stapleton said Tynes was not arrested at the scene because officers at the time were unaware of Roquette’s injury.

“Under Wisconsin statute, if there’s a broken bone, that makes it a felony,” Stapleton said. “At that time, we had no proof there was aggravated battery. So it would have been a misdemeanor and unless there’s extenuating circumstances, we don’t take people to jail for a misdemeanor.

“Once the investigation was complete and the medical reports showed a broken nose, we sent the reports to the district attorney’s office, and he filed the charges.”

A woman who answered the phone at Roquette’s house said he would have no comment while litigation was pending.

Tynes also had nothing to say. But according to the report, he told police he was trying to leave the bar and was attacked by several customers. A witness to the incident who works for the Chiefs said Roy initially provoked Tynes first by bumping him and then by taunting him.

Chiefs center Casey Wiegmann, who was at Boomer’s that night, told police that as bouncers escorted Tynes to the door after his encounter with Roy, an unknown person grabbed Tynes by the neck.

Wiegmann said Tynes then swung blindly and struck Roquette.

“Obviously there are two sides to every story,” said Tynes’ attorney, Earl Gray. “He was acting in self defense.

“Their depiction of the videotape is not real accurate. I haven’t seen it. I’ve talked to somebody who has, and they say you can’t see anything except a bunch of guys jumping on my client. In Wisconsin, you have a right to a preliminary hearing. On that date, I think things will look a little different.”

Boomer’s sits on otherwise quiet Elm Street just off River Falls’ only main drag. Located around the corner from the police station, Boomer’s carries a Chiefs’ helmet decal in its front window alongside a beer poster welcoming Chiefs fans.

The dance club typically fills up as an evening moves along. So it did late Saturday night. Many of the customers that night were Chiefs players and staff members enjoying a rare night off at training camp.

Members of the Chiefs’ security staff were also present and cleared many players from the bar as the scene unfolded.

Teddy Roughton, who owns Boomer’s, declined to show the security video to reporters.

“The only people who have a copy are the people who work our security and the police,” he said. “As of right now, that’s how it’s going to stay. We haven’t shown it to anybody else. We don’t plan on showing it to anybody else. When we hear everything is settled, resolved and decided and we kind of get the OK that it doesn’t matter anymore, then if it gets out, it gets out.”

“I use this for personal safety of my staff and my customers. It’s not anything I would ever use to glorify a situation or show someone else’s business.”

Many of the Chiefs were mystified how Tynes could be involved in such an episode.

“He’s not a guy who goes around starting problems,” said defensive end Jared Allen, a friend of Tynes. “I’ve been out with him a bunch of times, and we always have a good time. Somebody must have provoked him. He’s never been the type of guy to go out and start fights.”

Tynes has been inconsistent with his field goals in training camp and missed an attempt against the Vikings. Coach Dick Vermeil said the Chiefs wouldn’t consider the episode when deciding whether to bring in a kicker to compete with Tynes.

“He’s very remorseful,” Vermeil said. “His response was wrong. You can’t do that. I’ve got some guys I would expect to react that way if somebody bumped into him and made some remarks. I wouldn’t ever expect Lawrence to do that. Normally, kickers don’t have that temperament.”

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Court date set for Siavii’s two charges

The Kansas City Star

MINNEAPOLIS — Junior Siavii will be back in court Oct. 6 on charges stemming from a late-night disturbance at a Minneapolis hotel last weekend.

Siavii, a defensive tackle for the Chiefs, was not present Wednesday morning as his lawyer entered not-guilty pleas for one count of disorderly conduct and one count of fifth-degree assault. Both charges are misdemeanors.

Siavii’s attorney, Minneapolis-based David Valentini, asked for a jury trial.

Police were summoned to the Graves 601 Hotel at 1:20 a.m. Sunday because of a disturbance, Minneapolis police Lt. Brad Sporny said. Siavii allegedly threw objects and yelled obscenities at a hotel security guard.

The maximum penalty for disorderly conduct is a year in jail and a $3,000 fine, according to Minnesota statutes. The maximum penalty for fifth-degree assault is 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Safety Greg Wesley was charged with one count of misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the incident. Wesley has a Friday court date in Minneapolis.

tk13 · 08-18-2005, 01:21 AM

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Chiefs’ tiffs lead to court, not to camp

By ELIZABETH MERRILL
The Kansas City Star

RIVER FALLS, Wis. — The wait staff at Bo’s N’ Mine is wearing Chiefs polos, scrambling to feed the lunch crowd.

The clientele is typical John Cougar Mellencamp material — a young man in a T-shirt on break, a family eating greasy food under a giant American flag.

At nightfall, the scene will change at this quaint bar/eatery. Pro football players will stop in and mingle with the locals.

For 3½ weeks each summer, the Chiefs invade this idyllic Midwestern town for training camp. They watch film, they tackle teammates, and, on a rare day off, they hit the town.

“For the most part, behavior isn’t a real big issue,” said Lisa James, a Bo’s employee. “We look forward to them coming. It’s a boom for business.”

The 2005 training camp has been more of a boom for the legal industry.

When the Chiefs break camp and leave this quiet town of 15,000 on Friday, a few will take a string of court dates with them. Within roughly 30 minutes in Sunday’s early hours, three Chiefs were involved in skirmishes that ended in charges against the players. Kicker Lawrence Tynes was charged Wednesday with one felony count of substantial battery and one count of misdemeanor battery in connection with an altercation at Boomer’s, a River Falls nightclub.

According to a River Falls police report, Tynes struck a bar patron in the face and later hit a bouncer, Brian J. Roquette of River Falls. Police said medical reports indicated Roquette had a broken nose.

About the same time Tynes was charged, defensive tackle Junior Siavii’s lawyer was entering not-guilty pleas in a Minneapolis courtroom on charges of disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault. Siavii and safety Greg Wesley were arrested Sunday morning after an incident at a Minneapolis hotel. Wesley has a Friday court date on a charge of misdemeanor disorderly conduct.

Minneapolis police said Siavii was belligerent and had to be restrained with handcuffs and a spit hood.

This is not exactly the camp Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil had hoped for when he brought his 91 players to River Falls last month to bond. Vermeil prides himself on a family, team atmosphere. On Wednesday, he took a stern, fatherly tone but called the incidents isolated mistakes.

“We need tough guys,” Vermeil said, “but we don’t need people getting tough off our field. It’s just an unfortunate incident. It’s not a trend; it’s not even their profile. But sometimes those things happen.”

It happens when a team is more than six hours from home, living in dorms, following 11:15 p.m. curfews and 5:45 a.m. wakeup calls. It happened on just the second day off in 2½ weeks of camp. While most NFL teams have opted to stay close to home for training camp in recent years, the Chiefs have returned to River Falls.

Vermeil said he had no regrets about giving the team Saturday off, with no curfew or bed check. When asked whether he planned to change his practice of cutting the team loose for a couple of days during camp, Vermeil said no.

“Hey, they live at home seven nights a week as soon as we break training camp,” he said. “There are a lot of NFL teams now staying at home, and maybe we’re better off staying someplace else where they aren’t singled out.

“You put 90 guys and work them like we work them and give them a full night off, sometimes, there’s a problem. And I know guys even right here in this town over the last few years that have shown tremendous poise in not allowing a disaster to happen. They’re targets.”

The Chiefs have easily had the most active police blotter of any NFL team during training camp this summer.

When Vermeil gives the team a day off, he says they can go anywhere, as long as they’re back within 24 hours. When he met with the team after the weekend incidents, Vermeil had one message.

“He told us to be professionals,” said linebacker Boomer Grigsby. “Just be a professional athlete. You’ve got to look out for yourselves and look out for each other.”

As the Chiefs went through their normal two-a-day routine Wednesday, some said the weekend trouble was blown out of proportion.

“I think people are making way too big of a deal of it,” said tight end Jason Dunn. “I really don’t think we’re the bad boys of the NFL. They were isolated incidents. I’m sure they won’t happen again.”

At Boomer’s, the site of the Tynes incident, owner Teddy Roughton kept his giant Chiefs helmet in the window right next to the sign that said, “Welcome Chiefs fans.” Roughton said in the five years he’s owned the bar, he’s never had problems with unruly Chiefs before Saturday night. He affectionately refers to Tynes as “L.T.”

“You walk around town (before the Chiefs come) and you’ll hear some people say, ‘Here comes the circus,’ ” Roughton says. “And we say, ‘Here come some people who are supporting our town.’ Their friends, their families, their fans are spending money and helping our economy. They’re making it a little more exciting in the summer.”

Maybe a little too exciting.

Crush · 08-18-2005, 02:19 AM

What are we? The fuggin' Raiders?

MichaelH · 08-18-2005, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Crush

What are we? The fuggin' Raiders?

Exactly! I know a faider fan and have been rubbing in that with Moss there, they're a complete set of felons now. Maybe the new intensity at camp is being taken the wrong way.

KCTitus · 08-18-2005, 06:38 AM

That's why Carl signed Tynes...cause he's one tough SOB kicker!

**BigRedChief** · 08-18-2005, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

That's why Carl signed Tynes...cause he's one tough SOB kicker!

Yeah you have to be really tough to sucker punch a bouncer. More likely you have to have beer muscles

ROYC75 · 08-18-2005, 07:40 AM

Damn fire water brings out the animal in anybody, even kickers .

Big Chief Homer · 08-18-2005, 07:46 AM

Im not so sure its beer muscles.

He is scottish,hes probably just got that Soccer Hooligan still in him.

TEX · 08-18-2005, 09:01 PM

Hopefully come October 6, Saivii won't be a CHIIEF so it will be a non issue.

**Bowser** · 08-18-2005, 09:06 PM

"Killer"

**Rain Man** · 08-18-2005, 09:13 PM

So the bouncer's family says that litigation is pending? Can a bouncer really sue for doing his job and getting in the middle of a fight? Sounds to me like he should get sued for not handling the situation better. Darn golddigger.

philfree · 08-18-2005, 10:10 PM

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Chiefs center Casey Wiegmann, who was at Boomer’s that night, told police that as bouncers escorted Tynes to the door after his encounter with Roy, an unknown person grabbed Tynes by the neck.

Wiegmann said Tynes then swung blindly and struck Roquette.

Wiegmann's story sounds very believable to me. I think I'll choose to believe him.

PhilFree

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 08-18-2005, 11:39 PM

"Kickers don't normally have that temperament."

Well I'm still glad ours does Dick.

**alanm** · 08-18-2005, 11:53 PM

You know, even though they announced last week that they would return to RF again next year I would expect any day now they announce that TC will be in Missouri next year.

08-18-2005, 01:20 AM	Topic Starter
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1677500	KC Star: Chiefs Legal Update 8/18 http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/12410723.htm Chiefs kicker faces battery charges Tynes allegedly broke nose of bouncer at River Falls bar By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star RIVER FALLS, Wis. — Trying to make light of a grave situation, Lawrence Tynes’ Chiefs teammates have taken to calling him “Killer.” When the joking subsided, those familiar with Tynes, a second-year place-kicker, say the felony substantial battery and misdemeanor battery charges filed against him for his role in a bar fight are out of character. Police painted a different picture of Tynes for his part in an incident at Boomer’s, a River Falls night club, early Sunday morning. According to the police report, Tynes punched in the face first one bar customer and later a bar bouncer, the latter receiving a broken nose. Police said Tynes was agitated and tried to re-enter the bar after being escorted out. Tynes made his initial appearance in Pierce County Circuit Court in Ellsworth, Wis., on Wednesday morning, district attorney John O’Boyle said. He signed a $15,000 signature bond and was released. A preliminary hearing was scheduled for Oct. 11. The substantial battery charge carries a maximum penalty of a $10,000 fine or jail sentence of 3½ years or both. The misdemeanor charge carries a maximum penalty of a $10,000 fine or nine months in jail or both. Police said video obtained from a security camera at the bar showed Tynes bumping into the bar patron, whom they identified as 25-year-old Bradley Daryl Roy of River Falls. After the two talked for a moment, Tynes was seen throwing his drink at Roy and then attacking him, police said. According to the report, Tynes is later seen striking the bar bouncer, Brian J. Roquette, 27, of River Falls, in the face. No one else was charged in the incident. River Falls Police Capt. John Stapleton said Tynes was not arrested at the scene because officers at the time were unaware of Roquette’s injury. “Under Wisconsin statute, if there’s a broken bone, that makes it a felony,” Stapleton said. “At that time, we had no proof there was aggravated battery. So it would have been a misdemeanor and unless there’s extenuating circumstances, we don’t take people to jail for a misdemeanor. “Once the investigation was complete and the medical reports showed a broken nose, we sent the reports to the district attorney’s office, and he filed the charges.” A woman who answered the phone at Roquette’s house said he would have no comment while litigation was pending. Tynes also had nothing to say. But according to the report, he told police he was trying to leave the bar and was attacked by several customers. A witness to the incident who works for the Chiefs said Roy initially provoked Tynes first by bumping him and then by taunting him. Chiefs center Casey Wiegmann, who was at Boomer’s that night, told police that as bouncers escorted Tynes to the door after his encounter with Roy, an unknown person grabbed Tynes by the neck. Wiegmann said Tynes then swung blindly and struck Roquette. “Obviously there are two sides to every story,” said Tynes’ attorney, Earl Gray. “He was acting in self defense. “Their depiction of the videotape is not real accurate. I haven’t seen it. I’ve talked to somebody who has, and they say you can’t see anything except a bunch of guys jumping on my client. In Wisconsin, you have a right to a preliminary hearing. On that date, I think things will look a little different.” Boomer’s sits on otherwise quiet Elm Street just off River Falls’ only main drag. Located around the corner from the police station, Boomer’s carries a Chiefs’ helmet decal in its front window alongside a beer poster welcoming Chiefs fans. The dance club typically fills up as an evening moves along. So it did late Saturday night. Many of the customers that night were Chiefs players and staff members enjoying a rare night off at training camp. Members of the Chiefs’ security staff were also present and cleared many players from the bar as the scene unfolded. Teddy Roughton, who owns Boomer’s, declined to show the security video to reporters. “The only people who have a copy are the people who work our security and the police,” he said. “As of right now, that’s how it’s going to stay. We haven’t shown it to anybody else. We don’t plan on showing it to anybody else. When we hear everything is settled, resolved and decided and we kind of get the OK that it doesn’t matter anymore, then if it gets out, it gets out.” “I use this for personal safety of my staff and my customers. It’s not anything I would ever use to glorify a situation or show someone else’s business.” Many of the Chiefs were mystified how Tynes could be involved in such an episode. “He’s not a guy who goes around starting problems,” said defensive end Jared Allen, a friend of Tynes. “I’ve been out with him a bunch of times, and we always have a good time. Somebody must have provoked him. He’s never been the type of guy to go out and start fights.” Tynes has been inconsistent with his field goals in training camp and missed an attempt against the Vikings. Coach Dick Vermeil said the Chiefs wouldn’t consider the episode when deciding whether to bring in a kicker to compete with Tynes. “He’s very remorseful,” Vermeil said. “His response was wrong. You can’t do that. I’ve got some guys I would expect to react that way if somebody bumped into him and made some remarks. I wouldn’t ever expect Lawrence to do that. Normally, kickers don’t have that temperament.” ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/12409974.htm Court date set for Siavii’s two charges The Kansas City Star MINNEAPOLIS — Junior Siavii will be back in court Oct. 6 on charges stemming from a late-night disturbance at a Minneapolis hotel last weekend. Siavii, a defensive tackle for the Chiefs, was not present Wednesday morning as his lawyer entered not-guilty pleas for one count of disorderly conduct and one count of fifth-degree assault. Both charges are misdemeanors. Siavii’s attorney, Minneapolis-based David Valentini, asked for a jury trial. Police were summoned to the Graves 601 Hotel at 1:20 a.m. Sunday because of a disturbance, Minneapolis police Lt. Brad Sporny said. Siavii allegedly threw objects and yelled obscenities at a hotel security guard. The maximum penalty for disorderly conduct is a year in jail and a $3,000 fine, according to Minnesota statutes. The maximum penalty for fifth-degree assault is 90 days in jail and a $1,000 fine. Safety Greg Wesley was charged with one count of misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the incident. Wesley has a Friday court date in Minneapolis. Last edited by tk13; 08-18-2005 at 01:34 AM..
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08-18-2005, 01:21 AM	#2
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1677500	http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/12410381.htm Chiefs’ tiffs lead to court, not to camp By ELIZABETH MERRILL The Kansas City Star RIVER FALLS, Wis. — The wait staff at Bo’s N’ Mine is wearing Chiefs polos, scrambling to feed the lunch crowd. The clientele is typical John Cougar Mellencamp material — a young man in a T-shirt on break, a family eating greasy food under a giant American flag. At nightfall, the scene will change at this quaint bar/eatery. Pro football players will stop in and mingle with the locals. For 3½ weeks each summer, the Chiefs invade this idyllic Midwestern town for training camp. They watch film, they tackle teammates, and, on a rare day off, they hit the town. “For the most part, behavior isn’t a real big issue,” said Lisa James, a Bo’s employee. “We look forward to them coming. It’s a boom for business.” The 2005 training camp has been more of a boom for the legal industry. When the Chiefs break camp and leave this quiet town of 15,000 on Friday, a few will take a string of court dates with them. Within roughly 30 minutes in Sunday’s early hours, three Chiefs were involved in skirmishes that ended in charges against the players. Kicker Lawrence Tynes was charged Wednesday with one felony count of substantial battery and one count of misdemeanor battery in connection with an altercation at Boomer’s, a River Falls nightclub. According to a River Falls police report, Tynes struck a bar patron in the face and later hit a bouncer, Brian J. Roquette of River Falls. Police said medical reports indicated Roquette had a broken nose. About the same time Tynes was charged, defensive tackle Junior Siavii’s lawyer was entering not-guilty pleas in a Minneapolis courtroom on charges of disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault. Siavii and safety Greg Wesley were arrested Sunday morning after an incident at a Minneapolis hotel. Wesley has a Friday court date on a charge of misdemeanor disorderly conduct. Minneapolis police said Siavii was belligerent and had to be restrained with handcuffs and a spit hood. This is not exactly the camp Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil had hoped for when he brought his 91 players to River Falls last month to bond. Vermeil prides himself on a family, team atmosphere. On Wednesday, he took a stern, fatherly tone but called the incidents isolated mistakes. “We need tough guys,” Vermeil said, “but we don’t need people getting tough off our field. It’s just an unfortunate incident. It’s not a trend; it’s not even their profile. But sometimes those things happen.” It happens when a team is more than six hours from home, living in dorms, following 11:15 p.m. curfews and 5:45 a.m. wakeup calls. It happened on just the second day off in 2½ weeks of camp. While most NFL teams have opted to stay close to home for training camp in recent years, the Chiefs have returned to River Falls. Vermeil said he had no regrets about giving the team Saturday off, with no curfew or bed check. When asked whether he planned to change his practice of cutting the team loose for a couple of days during camp, Vermeil said no. “Hey, they live at home seven nights a week as soon as we break training camp,” he said. “There are a lot of NFL teams now staying at home, and maybe we’re better off staying someplace else where they aren’t singled out. “You put 90 guys and work them like we work them and give them a full night off, sometimes, there’s a problem. And I know guys even right here in this town over the last few years that have shown tremendous poise in not allowing a disaster to happen. They’re targets.” The Chiefs have easily had the most active police blotter of any NFL team during training camp this summer. When Vermeil gives the team a day off, he says they can go anywhere, as long as they’re back within 24 hours. When he met with the team after the weekend incidents, Vermeil had one message. “He told us to be professionals,” said linebacker Boomer Grigsby. “Just be a professional athlete. You’ve got to look out for yourselves and look out for each other.” As the Chiefs went through their normal two-a-day routine Wednesday, some said the weekend trouble was blown out of proportion. “I think people are making way too big of a deal of it,” said tight end Jason Dunn. “I really don’t think we’re the bad boys of the NFL. They were isolated incidents. I’m sure they won’t happen again.” At Boomer’s, the site of the Tynes incident, owner Teddy Roughton kept his giant Chiefs helmet in the window right next to the sign that said, “Welcome Chiefs fans.” Roughton said in the five years he’s owned the bar, he’s never had problems with unruly Chiefs before Saturday night. He affectionately refers to Tynes as “L.T.” “You walk around town (before the Chiefs come) and you’ll hear some people say, ‘Here comes the circus,’ ” Roughton says. “And we say, ‘Here come some people who are supporting our town.’ Their friends, their families, their fans are spending money and helping our economy. They’re making it a little more exciting in the summer.” Maybe a little too exciting.
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