Stopping the run

jidar1 · 08-26-2005, 08:24 AM

Seriously, what about it?

A lot of experts will tell you that Run D is the best indicator of success so how are we doing? I seem to recall that our Run D wasn't that bad last year stat wise, but on the other hand I recall seeing people run all over us. What is the consensus on our run D last year and how is it going to be this year?
I'm still concerned about our D line for one, and I saw some nasty habits from the line and the lbs during the first preseason game.. hrm..

htismaqe · 08-26-2005, 08:53 AM

Our run D was horrid last year.

The #1 indicator of how good your run defense is is yards per carry.

2002 - 4.8
2003 - 5.17
2004 - 4.61

We're headed in the right direction. But we need to be DRAMATICALLY improved this year in order to compete for a title. We have to be under 4 ypc.

2004 Pats - 3.88
1995 Chiefs - 3.78

jidar1 · 08-26-2005, 08:58 AM

The thing that scares me about that is that we only got it down to 4.6 by blizting our asses off and giving up the big plays. Still, we've done a lot of upgrades this year and some guys are coming around, gotta keep hoping.
I like that Gun is trying to get that message across by benching Allen. That has to make people give pause and seriously think about their assignments. 10 sacks a year isn't worth jack if you're giving up 6 yard runs to your side every other play.

htismaqe · 08-26-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar1

The thing that scares me about that is that we only got it down to 4.6 by blizting our asses off and giving up the big plays. Still, we've done a lot of upgrades this year and some guys are coming around, gotta keep hoping.
I like that Gun is trying to get that message across by benching Allen. That has to make people give pause and seriously think about their assignments. 10 sacks a year isn't worth jack if you're giving up 6 yard runs to your side every other play.

I've long been a believer that run defense is the key to a winning season. Pass defense can even be BAD if you can stop the run, see 1999 Rams.

Mr. Laz · 08-26-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I've long been a believer that run defense is the key to a winning season. Pass defense can even be BAD if you can stop the run, see 1999 Rams.

misleading stats

the rams offense force the other team to throw more making their passing defensive #'s look worse and their running d look better.

htismaqe · 08-26-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

misleading stats

the rams offense force the other team to throw more making their passing defensive #'s look worse and their running d look better.

#6 in the league in yards per attempt, 3.52 ypc.

**Saul Good** · 08-26-2005, 09:10 AM

YPC is an important stat, but it can be a little misleading. If a team jumps out to a big lead, they tend to go into a pass defense and allow teams to run all they want late in the game. IIRC, the Broncos had the worst, or one of the worst, defenses in the NFL in terms of YPC allowed during their 2 Superbowl seasons.
That said, if the Chiefs can get down to 4.2 or 4.3, we're in business.

Hammock Parties · 08-26-2005, 09:13 AM

If someone wants to break it down, I'd like to see our run D stats in the second half of last year.

jspchief · 08-26-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

If someone wants to break it down, I'd like to see our run D stats in the second half of last year.

Second half as in "last eight games"? Or second half as in "after halftime"?

I think I know where you're going with this. Our run D "improved" significantly in the second half of the season. But if I remember correctly, it had a lot more to do with the teams we faced than the way our d played.

Hammock Parties · 08-26-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Second half as in "last eight games"? Or second half as in "after halftime"?

I think I know where you're going with this. Our run D "improved" significantly in the second half of the season. But if I remember correctly, it had a lot more to do with the teams we faced than the way our d played.

Hell no one else is going to do it. I will.

jspchief · 08-26-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Hell no one else is going to do it. I will.

I'm already on it.

Radar Chief · 08-26-2005, 09:36 AM

Shaun Alexander is gonna be a good test for our run D.

**ptlyon** · 08-26-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Shaun Alexander is gonna be a good test for our run D.

Swiss cheese

Radar Chief · 08-26-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Swiss cheese

Hope not, but we’ll see.

jspchief · 08-26-2005, 09:42 AM

We gave up 4.5 yards per carry in the first 8 games, and gave up 4.5 yards per carry in the second 8 games.

08-26-2005, 08:24 AM	Topic Starter
jidar1 Starter Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	Stopping the run Seriously, what about it? A lot of experts will tell you that Run D is the best indicator of success so how are we doing? I seem to recall that our Run D wasn't that bad last year stat wise, but on the other hand I recall seeing people run all over us. What is the consensus on our run D last year and how is it going to be this year? I'm still concerned about our D line for one, and I saw some nasty habits from the line and the lbs during the first preseason game.. hrm..
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08-26-2005, 08:53 AM	#2
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8179900	Our run D was horrid last year. The #1 indicator of how good your run defense is is yards per carry. 2002 - 4.8 2003 - 5.17 2004 - 4.61 We're headed in the right direction. But we need to be DRAMATICALLY improved this year in order to compete for a title. We have to be under 4 ypc. 2004 Pats - 3.88 1995 Chiefs - 3.78
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08-26-2005, 08:58 AM	#3
jidar1 Starter Join Date: May 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	The thing that scares me about that is that we only got it down to 4.6 by blizting our asses off and giving up the big plays. Still, we've done a lot of upgrades this year and some guys are coming around, gotta keep hoping. I like that Gun is trying to get that message across by benching Allen. That has to make people give pause and seriously think about their assignments. 10 sacks a year isn't worth jack if you're giving up 6 yard runs to your side every other play.
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08-26-2005, 09:10 AM	#7
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	YPC is an important stat, but it can be a little misleading. If a team jumps out to a big lead, they tend to go into a pass defense and allow teams to run all they want late in the game. IIRC, the Broncos had the worst, or one of the worst, defenses in the NFL in terms of YPC allowed during their 2 Superbowl seasons. That said, if the Chiefs can get down to 4.2 or 4.3, we're in business. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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