How many times has the #1 offense in the league not made the playoffs?

FringeNC · 01-11-2006, 01:21 PM

I bet it isn't very often, if ever. And last year, the D was so bad, we couldn't even finish .500.

Many of you guys do no understand the monumental failure of Gun's 2nd time around here. We did not ask him to give us a great D. All we asked was a good enough D to allow our O to take control of games. He failed completely.

I bet there has never in the history been a team that has led the league in offense two years in a row, and not made the playoffs either year. Not only has Gun been bad, he has set historical precedent. He even outdid Robinson. Robinson's 2002 year was the only year we had this type of O and didn't make the playoffs.

And the amazing thing about it? Most Chiefs' fans want him retained, and the GM will probably do it. No wonder this team has not been to the SB in ages...

shaneo69 · 01-11-2006, 01:24 PM

You're a jackass, but please keep posting these threads.

Our defense was exactly middle-of-the-pack (16th) in the only defensive stat that matters.

Gunther hasn't been an absolute success, but he hasn't been a monumental failure either. Our yards per rush has improved from a league-worst 5.2 in 2003, to 4.6 in 2004, to 4.1 in 2005.

FringeNC · 01-11-2006, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

You're a jackass, but please keep posting these threads.

Our defense was exactly middle-of-the-pack (16th) in the only defensive stat that matters.

Gunther hasn't been an absolute success, but he hasn't been a monumental failure either. Our yards per rush has improved from a league-worst 5.2 in 2003, to 4.6 in 2004, to 4.1 in 2005.

Any team can stop the run if they sell out. I believe we are at the bottom these last two years in yards per pass play.

Overall, yards per play, we were #32 in 04 (by a wide margin) #28 in this year.

It's amazing that idiots like yourself keep defending failure. Please put me on ignore so none of your idiotic responses will pollute threads, and I will do the same.

Brock · 01-11-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Any team can stop the run if they sell out. I believe we are at the bottom these last two years in yards per pass play.

#22 in YPA this season. Dead last the year before.

|Zach| · 01-11-2006, 01:26 PM

Ehh our defense has a ways to go but it made some things happen last year...strong against the rush...made big plays...forced turnovers...

They were just very inconsistant....

I question if anyone who thinks they did not get better compared to Robinson's was watching the games this year...

I can think of a number of times where the defense NEEDED to stand up and stop a team in order to preserve a win this year and did.

I can't think of that happening in 2003.

Sam · 01-11-2006, 01:31 PM

2003 Minnesota 9-7 & missed the playoffs, Chiefs were #2 in offense.

kcfanXIII · 01-11-2006, 01:44 PM

aside from the nyg debacle, and dal picking us apart, i think the defense did improve this year. no longer was defense a wait and see while i go get a beer time. also, how many plays over 20 yards did they give up this year opposed to two years ago. when you're 32nd in defense, you can't just turn it around in the blink of an eye. it's gonna take time. and if you think any differant, i guess you don't know much about football.

FringeNC · 01-11-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

aside from the nyg debacle, and dal picking us apart, i think the defense did improve this year. no longer was defense a wait and see while i go get a beer time. also, how many plays over 20 yards did they give up this year opposed to two years ago. when you're 32nd in defense, you can't just turn it around in the blink of an eye. it's gonna take time. and if you think any differant, i guess you don't know much about football.

Yeah, it took Lovie Smith years to turn around the Rams, didn't it? It took Mike Martz years on to turn around the Rams offense, too, didn't it?

It took years for Charlie Weis to turn around Notre Dame's offense, didn't it?

Any good coordinator will show improvement his first year. Gun, with the same players as Robinson, was WORSE. What is so damn hard about understanding that?

**Baby Lee** · 01-11-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Yeah, it took Lovie Smith years to turn around the Rams, didn't it?

Who did Lovie replace?

shaneo69 · 01-11-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Yeah, it took Lovie Smith years to turn around the Rams, didn't it?

You forgot to mention that Martz went out and got him SEVEN new defensive starters after the 2000 Peter Guinta disaster.

**ChiTown** · 01-11-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

aside from the nyg debacle, and dal picking us apart, i think the defense did improve this year.

So, what your saying is, that the D was there until we really needed them?

When we needed a stop, on the road, and while we were still a major player in the Playoff scene, they fn disappeared like a fart in the wind.

Our Pass D sucked cock, and our run D against the Giants was beyond words.

tk13 · 01-11-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Ehh our defense has a ways to go but it made some things happen last year...strong against the rush...made big plays...forced turnovers...

They were just very inconsistant....

I question if anyone who thinks they did not get better compared to Robinson's was watching the games this year...

I can think of a number of times where the defense NEEDED to stand up and stop a team in order to preserve a win this year and did.

I can't think of that happening in 2003.

I do think the defense is better than 2003. I think if nothing else we're more physical, which is a good thing. That 2003 D did have some stops though.. we stopped the Broncos after Dante's return... I remember we forced the fumble that led to the win in Green Bay.. and of course that Oakland game we stopped them on the 1 yard line at the end. I think we're better though, but in the end we didn't get the job done, Gun didn't accomplish what he was brought here to do.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 01-11-2006, 02:11 PM

We were 10-6 this year. Any other year that would have gotten us in the playoffs. We were a missed FG away from 11-5.

Wile_E_Coyote · 01-11-2006, 02:12 PM

that was not a #1 offense in Buffalo

ClevelandChief · 01-11-2006, 02:28 PM

Whoever started this thread is a moron.

Even with the offense being #1 they lost their share of games this year just like the D. We were 10-6. I don't blame the players at all, I dont blame the O or the D, I blame poor coaching at inopportune times.

If at the beginning of the year someone said we would finish 10-6 all of you would have been happy....but because finishing 10-6 didn't get us into the postseason everyone is sour grapes.

01-11-2006, 01:21 PM	Topic Starter
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1623986	How many times has the #1 offense in the league not made the playoffs? I bet it isn't very often, if ever. And last year, the D was so bad, we couldn't even finish .500. Many of you guys do no understand the monumental failure of Gun's 2nd time around here. We did not ask him to give us a great D. All we asked was a good enough D to allow our O to take control of games. He failed completely. I bet there has never in the history been a team that has led the league in offense two years in a row, and not made the playoffs either year. Not only has Gun been bad, he has set historical precedent. He even outdid Robinson. Robinson's 2002 year was the only year we had this type of O and didn't make the playoffs. And the amazing thing about it? Most Chiefs' fans want him retained, and the GM will probably do it. No wonder this team has not been to the SB in ages...
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shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	You're a jackass, but please keep posting these threads. Our defense was exactly middle-of-the-pack (16th) in the only defensive stat that matters. Gunther hasn't been an absolute success, but he hasn't been a monumental failure either. Our yards per rush has improved from a league-worst 5.2 in 2003, to 4.6 in 2004, to 4.1 in 2005. __________________ "I like Chiefs president Carl Peterson. I respect his business savvy. I envy his management skills and his penchant never to be driven by the whims of popularity. I admire his willingness to take responsibility for decisions that don’t work out the way he would have wanted." - Rufus, from KCChiefs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3176768	Ehh our defense has a ways to go but it made some things happen last year...strong against the rush...made big plays...forced turnovers... They were just very inconsistant.... I question if anyone who thinks they did not get better compared to Robinson's was watching the games this year... I can think of a number of times where the defense NEEDED to stand up and stop a team in order to preserve a win this year and did. I can't think of that happening in 2003.
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ClevelandChief Balls balls balls Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Youngstown, Ohio Casino cash: $10004900	Whoever started this thread is a moron. Even with the offense being #1 they lost their share of games this year just like the D. We were 10-6. I don't blame the players at all, I dont blame the O or the D, I blame poor coaching at inopportune times. If at the beginning of the year someone said we would finish 10-6 all of you would have been happy....but because finishing 10-6 didn't get us into the postseason everyone is sour grapes.
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