Herm knows what he’s doing when it comes to cornerbacks

RedThat · 04-21-2006, 07:49 AM

Herm knows what he’s doing when it comes to cornerbacks
JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

Jason Whitlock
Previous columns
T he Chiefs held their annual predraft news conference Thursday afternoon inside Arrowhead Stadium.

Why?

Can’t say for sure. As usual, nothing of interest was said. At one point, Chiefs coach Herman Edwards, as bored with the news conference as anyone, tried to engage The Star’s Randy Covitz in a verbal battle.

Herm’s a fine talker, but he’s absolutely no match for the Muhammad Ali of sports journalism, Randy “The Lip” Covitz. To no one’s surprise, “The Lip” ran his unbeaten streak to 3,235 confrontations.

Seriously, by the time Edwards, Carl Peterson and the Chiefs’ new vice president of player personnel Bill Kuharich were done cleverly and enthusiastically saying nothing, I’d concluded the reason for the event was so Peterson could appear in front of a Kansas City crowd without being booed.

We, the media, have a reputation for abusive behavior, but we’re still much too polite to boo Peterson (in the offseason).

About the only thing I could discern from Thursday’s proceedings was that Edwards has little concern about KC’s No. 2 corner opposite Patrick Surtain, which makes me believe the Chiefs will use their first-round pick on a wide receiver or defensive end.

Edwards did not say he was unconcerned about the spot vacated by Eric Warfield. Or did the Chiefs fumigate their secondary by letting Warfield walk to New England for virtually no money?

Whatever the case, Edwards seemed like an extremely confident man when it came to identifying, drafting and developing cornerbacks. He pointed out that when he was an assistant in Tampa Bay the Buccaneers got major production from young corners selected in the second and third rounds (Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly).

Now, this could all be a smokescreen. Edwards admitted the Chiefs, just like most teams, were sending out misinformation about their draft desires.

But here’s why I believe Peterson and Kuharich will let Edwards pick a corner in the second or third round rather than the first.

No one in football knows more about what it takes to play corner in the NFL than Edwards. He scouts the position better than anyone, and he coaches the position better than anyone. That’s the advantage of having played the position, worked as a scout and having coached the position.

Edwards picking a corner is the equivalent of putting a blindfold on me, setting eight slabs of ribs on a table and asking me to identify the slab prepared at a Gates. It wouldn’t be fair to call it work.

As much as I’d like to see the Chiefs acquire free-agent corner Ty Law, I have no doubt that Edwards will identify and develop a solid No. 2 corner. It might be someone already on the Chiefs’ roster. Maybe Julian Battle will play up to his physical skills. Or Bennie Sapp will play over his head. Or the Chiefs will draft someone in the second or third round who will step in and contribute right away.

So I guess I’m leaning toward the Chiefs drafting a defensive lineman. Of course, we know the Chiefs stink at drafting defensive linemen. Yes, they plucked Jared Allen out of the fourth round of the 2004 draft. But there’s still Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Eric Downing and Eddie Freeman to explain.

Maybe Kuharich’s ascension in the organization will fix KC’s inability to find defensive linemen. There’s considerable celebration within the Chiefs organization in general and the coaching staff in particular about Lynn Stiles’ decision to step aside for Kuharich.

Stiles is best remembered as the man who fell in love with Trezelle Jenkins’ wingspan and overlooked his clumsy footwork and lack of mental toughness. To be fair, Kuharich, who made his bones with the Saints, is best remembered as the man who fell so madly in love with Ricky Williams’ size and speed that he overlooked the size of Ricky’s bong and weed.

I’d like to see the Chiefs take Boston College defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka. Most draft experts have Kiwanuka pegged as a late first-rounder. He should be available. Then the Chiefs can take a cornerback. I also love Western Michigan receiver Greg Jennings, a projected second- or third-rounder. Jennings will be an NFL star.

Deberg_1990 · 04-21-2006, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

To be fair, Kuharich, who made his bones with the Saints, is best remembered as the man who fell so madly in love with Ricky Williams’ size and speed that he overlooked the size of Ricky’s bong and weed.

One of the funniest lines JW has ever written...classic...

Archie Bunker · 04-21-2006, 08:02 AM

Good article. I agree with almost everything he said except for drafting Mathias Kiwanuka.

**Reaper16** · 04-21-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Good article. I agree with almost everything he said except for drafting Mathias Kiwanuka.

Quoted for wisdom.

Mr. Laz · 04-21-2006, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Good article. I agree with almost everything he said except for drafting Mathias Kiwanuka.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Quoted for wisdom.

quoted to emphasize said wisdom

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-21-2006, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Good article. I agree with almost everything he said except for drafting Mathias Kiwanuka.

I don't understand all the bad vibes for Kiwanuka? Can you enlighten me/us? Seriously?

Thanks.

Archie Bunker · 04-21-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I don't understand all the bad vibes for Kiwanuka? Can you enlighten me/us? Seriously?

Thanks.

htismaqe summed up why I have bad vibes perfectly in post #20.

hypersensitiveZO6 · 04-21-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I don't understand all the bad vibes for Kiwanuka? Can you enlighten me/us? Seriously?

Thanks.

Nothing against Kiwanuka, but there are much better prospects at tackle. Watch the DT video.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9315053

CoMoChief · 04-21-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Good article. I agree with almost everything he said except for drafting Mathias Kiwanuka.

Whats wrong with Kiwanuka? He was a badass at Boston College, and could be a great pass rusher. We better not trade down if he's still on the board. I still think though we need more push up front through the middle. The pocket collapses more frequently, causing the QB to move out of the pocket and throw when he doesnt want to.

I dont care what people will say about this guys work ethic but hopefully in the 3rd round we can land DT Rod Wright. The guy was a dominant DT in college. I'm sure Gun or someone can motivate his ass to do something productive.

I dont know about you guys, but I cant wait til training camp to see what kind of competition theres gonna be on the defensive side of the ball.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-21-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Whats wrong with Kiwanuka? He was a badass at Boston College, and could be a great pass rusher. We better not trade down if he's still on the board. I still think though we need more push up front through the middle. The pocket collapses more frequently, causing the QB to move out of the pocket and throw when he doesnt want to.

I dont care what people will say about this guys work ethic but hopefully in the 3rd round we can land DT Rod Wright. The guy was a dominant DT in college. I'm sure Gun or someone can motivate his ass to do something productive.

I dont know about you guys, but I cant wait til training camp to see what kind of competition theres gonna be on the defensive side of the ball.

I don't understand the concerns of Kiwanku either.....I see some boards dropping him deep into the second round.

Wright won't be there in the third according to the stuff I'm reading.

Mr. Laz · 04-21-2006, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I don't understand the concerns of Kiwanku either.....I see some boards dropping him deep into the second round.

Wright won't be there in the third according to the stuff I'm reading.

in boston college he got his sacks 2 ways that i saw ... pure speed around the corner and cleaning up the trash more like a linebacker would.

he's built like a bean pole and will need to gain weight to hold up against the run ... don't know if he can gain the weight(he hasn't been able to yet) and don't know if he lose what speed he has if he does.

got totally owned senior bowl week ... and not just by D'Brick. then he pulls up hurt ........... again.

1. can he physically handle the NFL
2. can he stay healthy
3. can he add the weight necessary without losing speed.

tall,skinny and not very fast isn't a good way to start your NFL career.

Brock · 04-21-2006, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I don't understand the concerns of Kiwanku either.....I see some boards dropping him deep into the second round.

He's a Mike Mamula clone.

htismaqe · 04-21-2006, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I don't understand the concerns of Kiwanku either.....I see some boards dropping him deep into the second round.

Wright won't be there in the third according to the stuff I'm reading.

Kiwi is likely going to be available when we pick in the 2nd. Almost every projection I've seen has him now dropping out of the 1st round.

He's 6-feet SEVEN inches and only weighs 250. He's gonna get manhandled in the NFL because of that combination. He's too tall to get underneath tackles and he's too light to push them around...

CHIEF4EVER · 04-21-2006, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

I dont care what people will say about this guys work ethic but hopefully in the 3rd round we can land DT Rod Wright. The guy was a dominant DT in college.

So was Ryan Sims...........

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason the Hutt

Edwards picking a corner is the equivalent of putting a blindfold on me, setting eight slabs of ribs on a table and asking me to identify the slab prepared at a Gates. It wouldn’t be fair to call it work.

It wouldn't be fair to call ANYTHING you do "work" Jason. Other than getting your fat azz off the couch.....maybe.

**Lzen** · 04-21-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

One of the funniest lines JW has ever written...classic...

Agreed. That was quality stuff right there.

04-21-2006, 07:49 AM	Topic Starter
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Herm knows what he’s doing when it comes to cornerbacks Herm knows what he’s doing when it comes to cornerbacks JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star Jason Whitlock Previous columns T he Chiefs held their annual predraft news conference Thursday afternoon inside Arrowhead Stadium. Why? Can’t say for sure. As usual, nothing of interest was said. At one point, Chiefs coach Herman Edwards, as bored with the news conference as anyone, tried to engage The Star’s Randy Covitz in a verbal battle. Herm’s a fine talker, but he’s absolutely no match for the Muhammad Ali of sports journalism, Randy “The Lip” Covitz. To no one’s surprise, “The Lip” ran his unbeaten streak to 3,235 confrontations. Seriously, by the time Edwards, Carl Peterson and the Chiefs’ new vice president of player personnel Bill Kuharich were done cleverly and enthusiastically saying nothing, I’d concluded the reason for the event was so Peterson could appear in front of a Kansas City crowd without being booed. We, the media, have a reputation for abusive behavior, but we’re still much too polite to boo Peterson (in the offseason). About the only thing I could discern from Thursday’s proceedings was that Edwards has little concern about KC’s No. 2 corner opposite Patrick Surtain, which makes me believe the Chiefs will use their first-round pick on a wide receiver or defensive end. Edwards did not say he was unconcerned about the spot vacated by Eric Warfield. Or did the Chiefs fumigate their secondary by letting Warfield walk to New England for virtually no money? Whatever the case, Edwards seemed like an extremely confident man when it came to identifying, drafting and developing cornerbacks. He pointed out that when he was an assistant in Tampa Bay the Buccaneers got major production from young corners selected in the second and third rounds (Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly). Now, this could all be a smokescreen. Edwards admitted the Chiefs, just like most teams, were sending out misinformation about their draft desires. But here’s why I believe Peterson and Kuharich will let Edwards pick a corner in the second or third round rather than the first. No one in football knows more about what it takes to play corner in the NFL than Edwards. He scouts the position better than anyone, and he coaches the position better than anyone. That’s the advantage of having played the position, worked as a scout and having coached the position. Edwards picking a corner is the equivalent of putting a blindfold on me, setting eight slabs of ribs on a table and asking me to identify the slab prepared at a Gates. It wouldn’t be fair to call it work. As much as I’d like to see the Chiefs acquire free-agent corner Ty Law, I have no doubt that Edwards will identify and develop a solid No. 2 corner. It might be someone already on the Chiefs’ roster. Maybe Julian Battle will play up to his physical skills. Or Bennie Sapp will play over his head. Or the Chiefs will draft someone in the second or third round who will step in and contribute right away. So I guess I’m leaning toward the Chiefs drafting a defensive lineman. Of course, we know the Chiefs stink at drafting defensive linemen. Yes, they plucked Jared Allen out of the fourth round of the 2004 draft. But there’s still Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Eric Downing and Eddie Freeman to explain. Maybe Kuharich’s ascension in the organization will fix KC’s inability to find defensive linemen. There’s considerable celebration within the Chiefs organization in general and the coaching staff in particular about Lynn Stiles’ decision to step aside for Kuharich. Stiles is best remembered as the man who fell in love with Trezelle Jenkins’ wingspan and overlooked his clumsy footwork and lack of mental toughness. To be fair, Kuharich, who made his bones with the Saints, is best remembered as the man who fell so madly in love with Ricky Williams’ size and speed that he overlooked the size of Ricky’s bong and weed. I’d like to see the Chiefs take Boston College defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka. Most draft experts have Kiwanuka pegged as a late first-rounder. He should be available. Then the Chiefs can take a cornerback. I also love Western Michigan receiver Greg Jennings, a projected second- or third-rounder. Jennings will be an NFL star.
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