Vanilla

cmh6476 · 09:25 PM

Is how I would describe our entire preseason thus far.

We haven't seen anything from the O to turn heads, but I think we'll be fine. Turley made Mario Williams a non-factor, and did a decent job against Osi IMO. I don't see any cause for concern on the inside, as I think the struggles a lot of outsiders have noticed is the result of backup tackles filling in. Once we get Shields/ Waters/ Weigman playing healthy and some continuity we'll be fine. I also think Sampson is going to play better than Black or Wellbourne or Svitek could at this point, and as long as we stay healthy our offense will roll. LJ is gonna get his, and the passing game looks to be in great shape from the preseason. Only thing holding this offense back is injuries. And those injuries that could really set us back are at a number of positions IMO (anywhere on the OL would be a big hit, QB, RB...)

On defense, I just don't think we've seen anything yet. All they've ran is a base 4-3 cover-2 defense. Nothing fancy and not a lot of blitzing. Having the CBs back off the line of scrimmage while the safeties work to learn the new scheme.

Which obviously has not been working. The tackles up front look to be decent at stopping the run. And Allen on one side looks to be a positive. But getting pressure on the QB up the gut is something we have not seen. And I'm not sure we have anyone on the roster that could put pressure on the QB from the DT position.

Hicks has been awful, and I think we are all anxious to hear about how Hali does in this week and I want to see him play alot against St. Louis. Dear God he has to be an upgrade over Hicks

I really just want to see them get creative against St. Louis. The Giants are out there running reverses and throwing blitzes at us from left and right, and it really just looks like we have a bunch of veteran guys who are treating like this nothing more than another practice.

I hope thats the case and I hope the guys bring it to another level come the Bengals game and thereafter. Cause if not we might be in trouble fellas.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-20-2006, 09:24 PM

What?

cmh6476 · 08-20-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

What?

you related to Dr. Thunder?

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-20-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

you related to Dr. Thunder?

Yes. Was that all of your questions?

cmh6476 · 08-20-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Yes. Was that all of your questions?

yes.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-20-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmh6476

yes.

Ok. Everyone keeps mentioning my name and asking me questions for some reason. They think I know it all or something.

jspchief · 08-21-2006, 07:03 AM

My only problem with the "vanilla" excuse is that every other team in the league is going beyond vanilla. Why are we the only ones keeping it simple?

And what purpose does vanilla serve anyway? Shouldn't these guys be getting reps that come closer to replicating regular season gameplay, so they are actually prepared to run those plays when the season starts?

I've watched a ton of pre-season games, and the one thing I've noticed is that I haven't seen a single team look as bad in pre-season as the Chiefs have looked. Does that mean we're the worst team in the league? I highly doubt it. But there is some concern when other teams are already performing at a high level, and last year's play-off teams all appear to be clicking at a very high level.

Calcountry · 08-21-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

My only problem with the "vanilla" excuse is that every other team in the league is going beyond vanilla. Why are we the only ones keeping it simple?

And what purpose does vanilla serve anyway? Shouldn't these guys be getting reps that come closer to replicating regular season gameplay, so they are actually prepared to run those plays when the season starts?

I've watched a ton of pre-season games, and the one thing I've noticed is that I haven't seen a single team look as bad in pre-season as the Chiefs have looked. Does that mean we're the worst team in the league? I highly doubt it. But there is some concern when other teams are already performing at a high level, and last year's play-off teams all appear to be clicking at a very high level.

The new coach hasn't made that "connection" with his players yet.

They don't know what he expects of them, or he hasn't made that clear to them.

Just a guess, but that might explain the lack of effort from our first units.

jlscorpio · 08-21-2006, 12:24 PM

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Chiefs Pantalones · 08-21-2006, 12:27 PM

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I am addicted to Vanilla Bean Frappacino's

She's a good friend of mine.

TRR · 08-21-2006, 01:55 PM

I agree with you for the most part, however I think John Welbourn was vastly under-rated at RT last season. He really played strong at RT, and helped us running to the right side when Roaf was out, and Black was starting. I would feel a lot better about or O Line if Welbourn was still at RT.

TRR · 08-21-2006, 01:59 PM

To expand...I don't think it's vanilla, as much as it is giving our younger guys more of a look. Casey Printers has played more snaps than any QB in the league right now. The jury is still out on guys like Rich Scanlon, Boomer Grigsby, Key Fox, Kris Griffin, Kris Wilson, Alphonso Hodge, Crow Thorpe, Jeff Webb, Jeris McIntyre....The list goes on forever. Herm is trying to get a feel for what these guys bring because for the most part, he didn't draft them.

whoman69 · 08-21-2006, 08:39 PM

I suppose it could be worse. Our preseason could be choclate.

greg63 · 08-21-2006, 09:36 PM

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I suppose it could be worse. Our preseason could be choclate.

I was thinking the same thing.

greg63 · 08-21-2006, 09:34 PM

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cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Vanilla Is how I would describe our entire preseason thus far. We haven't seen anything from the O to turn heads, but I think we'll be fine. Turley made Mario Williams a non-factor, and did a decent job against Osi IMO. I don't see any cause for concern on the inside, as I think the struggles a lot of outsiders have noticed is the result of backup tackles filling in. Once we get Shields/ Waters/ Weigman playing healthy and some continuity we'll be fine. I also think Sampson is going to play better than Black or Wellbourne or Svitek could at this point, and as long as we stay healthy our offense will roll. LJ is gonna get his, and the passing game looks to be in great shape from the preseason. Only thing holding this offense back is injuries. And those injuries that could really set us back are at a number of positions IMO (anywhere on the OL would be a big hit, QB, RB...) On defense, I just don't think we've seen anything yet. All they've ran is a base 4-3 cover-2 defense. Nothing fancy and not a lot of blitzing. Having the CBs back off the line of scrimmage while the safeties work to learn the new scheme. Which obviously has not been working. The tackles up front look to be decent at stopping the run. And Allen on one side looks to be a positive. But getting pressure on the QB up the gut is something we have not seen. And I'm not sure we have anyone on the roster that could put pressure on the QB from the DT position. Hicks has been awful, and I think we are all anxious to hear about how Hali does in this week and I want to see him play alot against St. Louis. Dear God he has to be an upgrade over Hicks I really just want to see them get creative against St. Louis. The Giants are out there running reverses and throwing blitzes at us from left and right, and it really just looks like we have a bunch of veteran guys who are treating like this nothing more than another practice. I hope thats the case and I hope the guys bring it to another level come the Bengals game and thereafter. Cause if not we might be in trouble fellas. Last edited by cmh6476; 08-20-2006 at 09:25 PM..
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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9480185	To expand...I don't think it's vanilla, as much as it is giving our younger guys more of a look. Casey Printers has played more snaps than any QB in the league right now. The jury is still out on guys like Rich Scanlon, Boomer Grigsby, Key Fox, Kris Griffin, Kris Wilson, Alphonso Hodge, Crow Thorpe, Jeff Webb, Jeris McIntyre....The list goes on forever. Herm is trying to get a feel for what these guys bring because for the most part, he didn't draft them.
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