Green week 5...

StcChief · 09-19-2006, 07:23 AM

espn insider...

* Word out of Kansas City is that it might not be wise to expect QB
Trent
Green to return to the Chiefs' lineup until Week 5 vs. Arizona, as he
continues to recover from a severe concussion suffered in the season
opener.

On the subject of Geathers, congratulations to old friend Ray Anderson, the league's new senior vice president of football operations, on making the
correct call in not fining the Bengals' young end for his
concussion-inducing hit of Trent Green. One league official told
ESPN.com
that NFL officials spent "an inordinate amount" of time dissecting the
play,
scrutinizing it from every angle, as well they should. The hit stoked a
lot
of emotion -- in part because Green, who was unconscious for 11
minutes, is
one of the NFL's classiest performers, because the Kansas City fans are
loyal and vocal, and because, to be honest, it looked bad.
But when one examines the play frame by frame, as did people from the
officiating department and beyond, it is what it is: Geathers' body
trajectory was impacted by Chiefs wide receiver Eddie Kennison
, and,
unfortunately, his shoulder pads collided with Green's helmet. There
are
doubtless a lot of laws of physics that apply in this case, but here's
a
reality that puts things in perspective: Football isn't a cartoon.
Players
can't stop in midair and freeze-frame themselves. The lick laid on
Green,
while unfortunate, wasn't illegal.
Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson did the admirable and
right
thing, too, in questioning the league's judgment. After all, he's
without
his starting quarterback now, for at least a few weeks. But the
decision,
while controversial, was still correct. When Anderson landed a job in
the
Atlanta Falcons' front office four years ago, after a long stint
representing players and coaches, critics suggested that he wasn't
suitable
for the position because he wasn't a "football man." Those same
skeptics
raised similar concerns last month when the NFL appointed Anderson to
his
current league post. But in his first big test, Anderson demonstrated
that
he understands the game a lot better than some of those who reacted in
knee-jerk fashion to the Geathers-Green incident. He was deliberate and
prudent and, most important, with plenty of input from the officiating
department, Anderson got it right.

MY EDIT: Officials need a physics lesson about forces. Kennison blocked him into Green...right.

**Skip Towne** · 09-19-2006, 07:25 AM

kepp · 09-19-2006, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StcChief

espn insider...

There are doubtless a lot of laws of physics that apply in this case, but here's a reality that puts things in perspective: Football isn't a cartoon. Players can't stop in midair and freeze-frame themselves. The lick laid on Green, while unfortunate, wasn't illegal.

Translation: We didn't attempt to apply high school level physics in our examination of the play.

StcChief · 09-19-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp

Translation: We didn't attempt to apply high school level physics in our examination of the play.

The technology is available to do that but we don't want do that.

We will continue to run old school subjective judgement.

Frazod · 09-19-2006, 08:04 AM

That entire article can be summarized in one line:

"It wasn't Peyton Manning, so to hell with him."

C-Mac · 09-19-2006, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

That entire article can be summarized in one line:

"It wasn't Peyton Manning, so to hell with him."

That pretty much covers it.

MichaelH · 09-19-2006, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

That entire article can be summarized in one line:

"It wasn't Peyton Manning, so to hell with him."

Let's add Mike Vick in there too.

E@SHSU · 09-19-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

That entire article can be summarized in one line:

"It wasn't Peyton Manning, so to hell with him."

Don't forget Favre

Chief Pote · 09-19-2006, 10:50 AM

You know I'm a HUGE football fan and I usually spend too much time watching football. But I'm having a tough time getting through a casual football game without getting pissed off and getting sick to my stomach. I don't know how many ****ing times I gonna see some ****ing flag thrown for a pansey ass foul because "the NFL is changing the rules to protect the WR and the QB". If I HAVE TO HEAR THAT DAMN COMMENT ONE MORE TIME THIS SEASON, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO NEED A NEW TV. What the **** is going on? Did Trent Green and the Chiefs do something to piss off the league? I agree with everyone...if this would have happened to the Manning twins this would have been a travesty. Hell they were saying on the tube last night that you can't hit a QB low and that the "NEW" rule was the Carson Palmer rule.

The WR is protected in the middle of the field and you can't hit them in a "vulnerable" position? Un****ing believable! But slide and they can knock your head off. I feel better.

Hammock Parties · 09-19-2006, 07:35 AM

That's really the ideal situation. We can take the 49ers without him.

Warrior5 · 09-19-2006, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

We can take the 49ers without him.

Unless Solari uses the next two weeks to figure out a way to pass protect and put a few points on the board, I'm not to sure about this.

I don't have a feel for the 49er defense, but their O can definitely score.

The Planet needs to have an analysis thread during the upcoming Eagles - 49ers game.

C-Mac · 09-19-2006, 07:43 AM

If this was a legal hit then why didnt it make the hit of the week and replayed over and over?
Why wasnt it bragged upon like "did you see that awesome hit"?
There is still no doubt that Gathers accomplished what he was trying to do. The physics ignorant bastigens!

jspchief · 09-19-2006, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-Mac

If this was a legal hit then why didnt it make the hit of the week and replayed over and over?

Uhh, because they usually don't highlight hits that cause serious injury.

Is making a highlight reel supposed to be some sort of criteria for legality?

C-Mac · 09-19-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Uhh, because they usually don't highlight hits that cause serious injury.

Is making a highlight reel supposed to be some sort of criteria for legality?

Used to be.

Megbert · 09-19-2006, 07:47 AM

All I know if Geathers had time to put his arm in a position to make the impact even worse than it should have been he had time to 'pull up'.

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StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	Green week 5... espn insider... * Word out of Kansas City is that it might not be wise to expect QB Trent Green to return to the Chiefs' lineup until Week 5 vs. Arizona, as he continues to recover from a severe concussion suffered in the season opener. On the subject of Geathers, congratulations to old friend Ray Anderson, the league's new senior vice president of football operations, on making the correct call in not fining the Bengals' young end for his concussion-inducing hit of Trent Green. One league official told ESPN.com that NFL officials spent "an inordinate amount" of time dissecting the play, scrutinizing it from every angle, as well they should. The hit stoked a lot of emotion -- in part because Green, who was unconscious for 11 minutes, is one of the NFL's classiest performers, because the Kansas City fans are loyal and vocal, and because, to be honest, it looked bad. But when one examines the play frame by frame, as did people from the officiating department and beyond, it is what it is: Geathers' body trajectory was impacted by Chiefs wide receiver Eddie Kennison , and, unfortunately, his shoulder pads collided with Green's helmet. There are doubtless a lot of laws of physics that apply in this case, but here's a reality that puts things in perspective: Football isn't a cartoon. Players can't stop in midair and freeze-frame themselves. The lick laid on Green, while unfortunate, wasn't illegal. Chiefs president/general manager Carl Peterson did the admirable and right thing, too, in questioning the league's judgment. After all, he's without his starting quarterback now, for at least a few weeks. But the decision, while controversial, was still correct. When Anderson landed a job in the Atlanta Falcons' front office four years ago, after a long stint representing players and coaches, critics suggested that he wasn't suitable for the position because he wasn't a "football man." Those same skeptics raised similar concerns last month when the NFL appointed Anderson to his current league post. But in his first big test, Anderson demonstrated that he understands the game a lot better than some of those who reacted in knee-jerk fashion to the Geathers-Green incident. He was deliberate and prudent and, most important, with plenty of input from the officiating department, Anderson got it right. MY EDIT: Officials need a physics lesson about forces. Kennison blocked him into Green...right.
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