McGwire Denied

rageeumr · 01-09-2007, 01:14 PM

McGwire left out of this years inductees:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6...T=HCP&GT1=9012

SPchief · 01-09-2007, 01:15 PM

Awesome

Fish · 01-09-2007, 01:16 PM

**jAZ** · 01-09-2007, 01:17 PM

Bonds should get in, but McGuire should not.

Bonds was a 1st ballot HOFer prior to his roided up homerun streak.

McGuire was not.

**TinyEvel** · 01-09-2007, 01:18 PM

And Merriman's in the Pro Bowl

Mecca · 01-09-2007, 01:19 PM

This is my view.....we don't really know who did roids or not, if you don't vote for someone because you think they were on roids that means you shouldn't vote for anyone from this era.

Be consistent....I'm sure it won't work that way but that's what I think, you either vote for the best players from the era or none at all.

rageeumr · 01-09-2007, 01:21 PM

One of the writers did just that. He turned in a blank ballot because he felt like he shouldn't vote for anyone without knowing all the information. He cost Ripken and Gwynn their chance at being the first ever unanimous choices.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

This is my view.....we don't really know who did roids or not, if you don't vote for someone because you think they were on roids that means you shouldn't vote for anyone from this era.

Be consistent....I'm sure it won't work that way but that's what I think, you either vote for the best players from the era or none at all.

Demonpenz · 01-09-2007, 01:21 PM

He was as one dimentional as they come. Good at that homerun hitter, but atleast bonds walked stole a billion bases and had like 10 gold gloves

KChiefer · 01-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Good!

I may be a hater, but I don't like the idea of Bonds getting in either. It's basically a fact that he's used roids. But what I hate is his and the others lying about it and acting like they don't have to answer to anybody. I mean one of the biggest reasons that Rose can't get in is because he lied and continued to lie about his betting.

**BigRedChief** · 01-09-2007, 01:26 PM

Baseball writers see themselfs as caretakers of the game. Historians etc. McGuire as not admitted taking steriods, never been convicted or indicted for taking steriods. Steriod use was legal in baseball during that time anyway.

If you are going to go off rumor and assumption or make moral judgement on individuals instead of their on the field accomplishments you are on a slippery slope.
Moral issue?
Ty Cobb was big time racist. You going to leave him in the HOF? Babe Ruth fooled around on his wife in every city.
Performance enhancement?
Large number of players have addmitted that they(including Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle) took "greenies" speed in the 50's and 60's on a daily basis. They admit to it. You going to take them out of the HOF?

01-09-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Baseball writers see themselfs as caretakers of the game. Historians etc. McGuire as not admitted taking steriods, never been convicted or indicted for taking steriods. Steriod use was legal in baseball during that time anyway.

If you are going to go off rumor and assumption or make moral judgement on individuals instead of their on the field accomplishments you are on a slippery slope.
Moral issue?
Ty Cobb was big time racist. You going to leave him in the HOF? Babe Ruth fooled around on his wife in every city.
Performance enhancement?
Large number of players have addmitted that they(including Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle) took "greenies" speed in the 50's and 60's on a daily basis. They admit to it. You going to take them out of the HOF?

I'm not a baseball fan so I consider myself an incredibly unbiased person.

When hating minorities and infidelity help you hit homeruns you can make judgements on Cobb and Ruth.

I don't think you can revoke player membership in the hall but they certain can (and likely will) hold future inductees out based on performance enhancing drug use.

The slipperiest slope is the legality of it. If steroids were legal in baseball (but illegal in all 50 states) how do you make a judgement? The whole situation is ridiculous. The Hall needs to make a decision and a mandate to voting writers. If the writers can't comply then get rid of them.

**BigRedChief** · 01-09-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I don't think you can revoke player membership in the hall but they certain can (and likely will) hold future inductees out based on performance enhancing drug use.

What about all the players in the 50's and 60's admitting that they took speed on a daily basis. Isn't speed a performance enhancer?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-09-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I'm not a baseball fan so I consider myself an incredibly unbiased person.

When hating minorities and infidelity help you hit homeruns you can make judgements on Cobb and Ruth.

I don't think you can revoke player membership in the hall but they certain can (and likely will) hold future inductees out based on performance enhancing drug use.

The slipperiest slope is the legality of it. If steroids were legal in baseball (but illegal in all 50 states) how do you make a judgement? The whole situation is ridiculous. The Hall needs to make a decision and a mandate to voting writers. If the writers can't comply then get rid of them.

And throwing a baseball at someone's head is battery in all 50 states but legal in MLB....

Look, I'm not a McGwire guy at all, but to say that he was using stuff that others didn't is completely asinine.

And FWIW, McGwire also drew a lot of walks, so the guy who used that as an argument is completely full of shit, stupid and/or uninformed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-09-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Steriod use was legal in baseball during that time anyway.

Sorry, Bro. Steroid use has NEVER been legal in MLB. Players weren't TESTED until 2001 but it was never allowed.

Logical · 01-09-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry, Bro. Steroid use has NEVER been legal in MLB. Players weren't TESTED until 2001 but it was never allowed.

I don't think you will find an MLB rule against them prior to a couple of years ago.

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