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Old 01-24-2007, 10:53 AM   Topic Starter
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Rank the Big 12 BB coaches
rank them by X's and O's and all related court preparation.

recruiting, money etc doesn't count

List: (in alphabetical order)

Mike Anderson - MU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Jeff Capel III - OU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Bob Huggins - KSU
Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Ricardo Patton - CU
Doc Sadler - NU
Bill Self - KU
Sean Sutton - OSU
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:32 AM   #2
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In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:13 PM   #3
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In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:35 PM   #4
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In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU
Of all the obvious flaws in this list, i'll pick on listing Scott Drew as III. He has his talent in there now, and there is ALOT of talent, so why are they 1-3 in the Big XII coming off a huge blowout to OU?
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:07 PM   #5
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In terms of pure coaching? Xs and Os and getting the most out of players? Here's that list:

Bob Knight - TT
Greg McDermott - ISU
Scott Drew - BU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Mike Anderson - MU
Bob Huggins - KSU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Rick Barnes - Texas
Doc Sadler - NU
Jeff Capel III - OU
Ricardo Patton - CU
Oops. Left Bill Self out in the cut and paste... meant to slip him in between Barnes and Sadler.

Saul -
I guess I'm still giving Drew credit for the job he did when he to Baylor. I was highly impressed then...

I agree with you that it's hard to do these things ... it's even harder when there are so many new coaches around. I based mine, like I said, on Xs and Os ability AND what they do with the talent they have. That's why Barnes and Self (guys who have done relatively little with a lot of talent) rate fairly low in my book and guys like Drew and McDermott (who have coached up the small amount of talent they have) rate so highly.

I agree with you that Gillispie coaches an ugly brand of basketball... but it's no uglier than what Barnes does.

I just thank God Bruce Weber isn't the coach at kU. That team would be unstoppable with him at the helm... well, until Self's recruits left.
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Old 01-24-2007, 11:39 AM   #6
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Bob Knight - TT
Rick Barnes - Texas
Bob Huggins - KSU
Billy Gillispie - Texas A&M
Bill Self - KU
Sean Sutton - OSU
Greg McDermott - ISU
Mike Anderson - MU
Ricardo Patton - CU
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:29 PM   #7
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Knight, Self

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Old 01-24-2007, 12:33 PM   #8
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In terms of what? X's and O's? Recruting prowess? Winning %? Anyways, gut feeling:

1. RMK
2. Billy Gillispie
3. Bob Huggins
4. Bill Self
5. Sean Sutton
6. Rick Barnes
7. Greg McDermott
8. Scott Drew
9. Jeff Capel
10. Mike Anderson
11. Doc Sadler
12. Ricardo Patton

This is kind of a bullshit question because alot of these coaches are new. Plus some are good gameday coaches, others are good recruiters, some are both.
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:48 PM   #9
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I'm not sure how i'd rank them going by pure x's and o's. Alot of it is unknown due to the coaches being new,and me not knowing a whole lot about them.

I'd obviously list RMK as the best. Past that, I think Rick Barnes, Bob Huggins, and even Ricardo Patton are solid X's and O's coaches. I assume Sean Sutton is due to his upbringing.

Billy G. is overrated IMO. He just teaches bad basketball, which is hack everyone like crazy to dictate the tempo of the game, and try to get your biggest guy on the low post to foul.

Self is average. He is like Billy G (same tutelage for the most part), they run similar systems.
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Old 01-24-2007, 01:10 PM   #10
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I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.
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I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.
Haven't seen them this year... but I know there is talent there now.

I'm talking about a few years back... I saw them in Columbia and was impressed with the job Drew did. Of course, the coach he was being compared to that day was Quin Snyder, so maybe that skewed things a bit.



Either way, I'll be watching closely when Mizzou plays Baylor. You may very well be right.
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:15 PM   #12
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I just don't see it with Drew. He hasn't coached them up. They have alot of talent on that team, they should be winning more games.
I was at the Baylor v KSU game last week. Drew was HORRID!!!!!!!!! He absolutely had KSU boxed in during the 2nd half. They were doing it with an inside game, and built an 11 point lead. KSU called a timeout, and BU went to a 3 point barrage from then on, and couldn't hit their ass with either hand. They didn't even ATTEMPT to go inside. Pathetic coaching if you ask me.

With the type of talent he has, he's number 9 or so on the B12 list.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:33 PM   #13
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Being a CU fan, I have to agree wholeheartedly with those ranking Ricardo as the worst. Will we never know what goods he has, and on whom, to have allowed him to keep his job this long?

It's not just that he has so consistently failed to bring in good talent, it is also that he has failed to develop and coach talent when he has been lucky enough to get it: that team a few years back with David Harrison and that pretty good swingman, I forget his name, would have won a lot of games under Bob Knight.
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Jeff Capel just beat Baylor by 40 with inferior talent. I seriously doubt he is in the bottom tier of coaches. Drew is though.
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