Charlie Sanders making the HOF is a fraud

**cdcox** · 02-03-2007, 01:55 PM

He was a very good player, but no where near in the class of other HOF that have been elected through the normal (non-old timers) process.

In fantasy points, his highest year of production placed him 31st in the league.

One of the questioners just said "You obviously revolutionized the TE positon..." Has anyone EVER heard that said of Charlie Sanders before today?

I don't think the old timers committee serves any useful purpose for players that played after 1970. It just puts in people who don't belong.

**cdcox** · 02-03-2007, 02:11 PM

In the last half hour they have shown both Roger Wehrli's and Sanders' highlight videos. Sanders must have been embarrassed at the comparison.

DTLB58 · 02-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Sanders had 31 TD's in his career

Might as well put Gonzo in RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!!!!!!!

This should have been Dt's spot

**cdcox** · 02-03-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Sanders had 31 TD's in his career

Might as well put Gonzo in RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!!!!!!!

This should have been Dt's spot

The game was different in those days, which is why I looked at his ranking among fantasy points among his contemporaries. He only cracked the top 3 fantasy point production at his position once. Just not even close to a HOF consideration.

The Old Timer's committee needs to be limited to players before 1970.

02-03-2007, 02:16 PM

Please say this is a hoax.

Adept Havelock · 02-03-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Please say this is a hoax.

Too soon to tell. Boston police are still investigating.

Halfcan · 02-04-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Too soon to tell. Boston police are still investigating.

Wow that is a Good One!

Miles · 02-04-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Wow that is a Good One!

I hope you can see this, because I’m doing it as hard as I can.

|Zach| · 02-04-2007, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles

I hope you can see this, because I’m doing it as hard as I can.

Hey Miles, you watch any Frisky Dingo?

Chade · 02-03-2007, 02:16 PM

It only took this guy something like, 24 years to get in. I'm sure he was a titan of the game in his day...

Veterans committee...

**Buck** · 02-03-2007, 03:12 PM

Hall of Famers (TE) (Just a Couple Examples)

Charlie Sanders (HOF) - 118 Games, 336 Receptions, 4817 Yards, 31 TDs

Kellen Winslow (HOF) - 109 Games, 541 Receptions, 6741 Yards, 45 TDs

Dave Casper (HOF) - 147 Games, 378 Reception, 5216 Yards, 52 TDs
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Comparing Stats should be a Hall of Famer

Mark Bavaro - 126 Games, 351 Receptions, 4733 Yards, 39 TDs

Kyle Brady - 182 Games, 334 Receptions, 3449 Yards, 23 TDs (maybe)
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On Pace to be a Hall of Famer, If Comparing Stats to HOF TE's

Antonio Gates - 61 Games, 265 Receptions, 3378 Yards, 34 TDs

Todd Heap - 82 Games, 316 Receptions, 3658 Yards, 26 TDs

Alge Crumpler - 94 Games, 274 Receptions, 3768 Yards, 30 TDs
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First Ballot Hall of Famer

Tony Gonzalez - 158 Games, 721 Receptions, 8710 Yards, 61 TDs
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Okay, we all know that TG is a first ballot HOFer, but can we honestly say that Gates, Heap, and Crumpler are Hall of Famers? If they have continued success as they are now sure, but if they drop off and still have comparable numbers what then?

Bavaro needs to be a HOFer, and maybe Kyle Brady. I added Brady because he played 184 games, which is amazing.

Dark Horse · 02-03-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

Hall of Famers (TE) (Just a Couple Examples)

Charlie Sanders (HOF) - 118 Games, 336 Receptions, 4817 Yards, 31 TDs

Kellen Winslow (HOF) - 109 Games, 541 Receptions, 6741 Yards, 45 TDs

Dave Casper (HOF) - 147 Games, 378 Reception, 5216 Yards, 52 TDs
---------------------------------
Comparing Stats should be a Hall of Famer

Mark Bavaro - 126 Games, 351 Receptions, 4733 Yards, 39 TDs

Kyle Brady - 182 Games, 334 Receptions, 3449 Yards, 23 TDs (maybe)
---------------------------------
On Pace to be a Hall of Famer, If Comparing Stats to HOF TE's

Antonio Gates - 61 Games, 265 Receptions, 3378 Yards, 34 TDs

Todd Heap - 82 Games, 316 Receptions, 3658 Yards, 26 TDs

Alge Crumpler - 94 Games, 274 Receptions, 3768 Yards, 30 TDs
---------------------------------
First Ballot Hall of Famer

Tony Gonzalez - 158 Games, 721 Receptions, 8710 Yards, 61 TDs
---------------------------------

Okay, we all know that TG is a first ballot HOFer, but can we honestly say that Gates, Heap, and Crumpler are Hall of Famers? If they have continued success as they are now sure, but if they drop off and still have comparable numbers what then?

Bavaro needs to be a HOFer, and maybe Kyle Brady. I added Brady because he played 184 games, which is amazing.

As much as I hate to admit it Shannon Sharpe is probably a 1st ballot guy too.

Extra Point · 02-04-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckinKaeding

Hall of Famers (TE) (Just a Couple Examples)

Charlie Sanders (HOF) - 118 Games, 336 Receptions, 4817 Yards, 31 TDs

Kellen Winslow (HOF) - 109 Games, 541 Receptions, 6741 Yards, 45 TDs

Dave Casper (HOF) - 147 Games, 378 Reception, 5216 Yards, 52 TDs
---------------------------------
Comparing Stats should be a Hall of Famer

Mark Bavaro - 126 Games, 351 Receptions, 4733 Yards, 39 TDs

Kyle Brady - 182 Games, 334 Receptions, 3449 Yards, 23 TDs (maybe)
---------------------------------
On Pace to be a Hall of Famer, If Comparing Stats to HOF TE's

Antonio Gates - 61 Games, 265 Receptions, 3378 Yards, 34 TDs

Todd Heap - 82 Games, 316 Receptions, 3658 Yards, 26 TDs

Alge Crumpler - 94 Games, 274 Receptions, 3768 Yards, 30 TDs
---------------------------------
First Ballot Hall of Famer

Tony Gonzalez - 158 Games, 721 Receptions, 8710 Yards, 61 TDs
---------------------------------

Okay, we all know that TG is a first ballot HOFer, but can we honestly say that Gates, Heap, and Crumpler are Hall of Famers? If they have continued success as they are now sure, but if they drop off and still have comparable numbers what then?

Bavaro needs to be a HOFer, and maybe Kyle Brady. I added Brady because he played 184 games, which is amazing.

CAN'T ARGUE ON THAT!

**Rain Man** · 02-03-2007, 03:38 PM

I'll defend Sanders a bit. He played 10 years and made 7 pro bowls, in an era that had a lot of good tight ends in the NFC such as Jerry Smith, Ted Kwalik, Jackie Smith, and I think Mike Ditka was still playing. He had a reputation for making acrobatic catches. Truthfully, if we want to view Otis Taylor as a candidate, then Charlie Sanders has to be recognized, too.

That said, I do find his selection a bit surprising. An uncontested HoF player was both dominating and had longevity. Historically, the selection committee (which is stupid - see Thomas, Derrick) has tended to value longevity and appearance on a championship roster more than any other factors. Sanders was a standout, but he didn't have longevity, he never played on a championship, and I would've called him "very good" as opposed to "dominant".

Eleazar · 02-03-2007, 03:42 PM

The problem here is that people who never saw this guy play or maybe never even heard of the guy are evaluating him based on what they looked up on profootballreference.com.

The TE has not always been about catching passes. It's subjective. It's like, how would you argue one offensive lineman over another if both were from the 60s or 70s? If you were born in the 70s or later, then you couldn't pretend to because there are no stats to look up. It's subjective.

02-03-2007, 01:55 PM	Topic Starter
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-468231	Charlie Sanders making the HOF is a fraud He was a very good player, but no where near in the class of other HOF that have been elected through the normal (non-old timers) process. In fantasy points, his highest year of production placed him 31st in the league. One of the questioners just said "You obviously revolutionized the TE positon..." Has anyone EVER heard that said of Charlie Sanders before today? I don't think the old timers committee serves any useful purpose for players that played after 1970. It just puts in people who don't belong.
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02-03-2007, 02:11 PM	#2
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-468231	In the last half hour they have shown both Roger Wehrli's and Sanders' highlight videos. Sanders must have been embarrassed at the comparison.
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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $6190295	Hall of Famers (TE) (Just a Couple Examples) Charlie Sanders (HOF) - 118 Games, 336 Receptions, 4817 Yards, 31 TDs Kellen Winslow (HOF) - 109 Games, 541 Receptions, 6741 Yards, 45 TDs Dave Casper (HOF) - 147 Games, 378 Reception, 5216 Yards, 52 TDs --------------------------------- Comparing Stats should be a Hall of Famer Mark Bavaro - 126 Games, 351 Receptions, 4733 Yards, 39 TDs Kyle Brady - 182 Games, 334 Receptions, 3449 Yards, 23 TDs (maybe) --------------------------------- On Pace to be a Hall of Famer, If Comparing Stats to HOF TE's Antonio Gates - 61 Games, 265 Receptions, 3378 Yards, 34 TDs Todd Heap - 82 Games, 316 Receptions, 3658 Yards, 26 TDs Alge Crumpler - 94 Games, 274 Receptions, 3768 Yards, 30 TDs --------------------------------- First Ballot Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez - 158 Games, 721 Receptions, 8710 Yards, 61 TDs --------------------------------- Okay, we all know that TG is a first ballot HOFer, but can we honestly say that Gates, Heap, and Crumpler are Hall of Famers? If they have continued success as they are now sure, but if they drop off and still have comparable numbers what then? Bavaro needs to be a HOFer, and maybe Kyle Brady. I added Brady because he played 184 games, which is amazing.
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02-03-2007, 03:38 PM	#14
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-462449 VARSITY	I'll defend Sanders a bit. He played 10 years and made 7 pro bowls, in an era that had a lot of good tight ends in the NFC such as Jerry Smith, Ted Kwalik, Jackie Smith, and I think Mike Ditka was still playing. He had a reputation for making acrobatic catches. Truthfully, if we want to view Otis Taylor as a candidate, then Charlie Sanders has to be recognized, too. That said, I do find his selection a bit surprising. An uncontested HoF player was both dominating and had longevity. Historically, the selection committee (which is stupid - see Thomas, Derrick) has tended to value longevity and appearance on a championship roster more than any other factors. Sanders was a standout, but he didn't have longevity, he never played on a championship, and I would've called him "very good" as opposed to "dominant". __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	The problem here is that people who never saw this guy play or maybe never even heard of the guy are evaluating him based on what they looked up on profootballreference.com. The TE has not always been about catching passes. It's subjective. It's like, how would you argue one offensive lineman over another if both were from the 60s or 70s? If you were born in the 70s or later, then you couldn't pretend to because there are no stats to look up. It's subjective.
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