Football Whitlock: Sad to say, but Vince Young's problems were predictable

Deberg_1990 · 09-11-2008, 05:17 PM

Imagine that, another lecture on race....

Good read as always JWhit.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...re-predictable

I'm going to do my best to avoid turning this into an I-told-you-so column.

But the truth is, I told you before the 2006 draft that Vince Young was primed for NFL failure. He entered the league with an attitude, mindset and supporting cast totally unprepared to survive the pressure, challenge and responsibility that goes along with the most prestigious and difficult job in all of sports.

When I explained all of this in 2006, my naive and misguided critics called me an Uncle Tom. Yeah, they ripped me for attempting to issue a young black kid a warning about what awaited him in The League and the attitude he would need to cope and excel.

Some people foolishly think it's every black media member's job to assist in the mental and emotional crippling of black youth. We're supposed to blow rainbows up the asses of every black athlete who "makes it" and assure him/her that anyone who utters a word of criticism is a jealous bigot or irrational sellout.

So, no, I'm not surprised Vince Young tried to quit in the middle of Sunday's game after throwing a second interception and hearing boos from Titans fans frustrated by his inability to read a defense or throw accurately. I'm not all that shocked that two days later Jeff Fisher called the police and asked them to hunt down his inconsistent quarterback. I'm not surprised the Titans team psychologist is apparently worried that Vince Young is suffering depression.

And I'm really not surprised that Vince Young's mother told The Tennessean that her baby boy needs a little space and a lot of love and support.

The question is, when Young rebounds from his emotional abyss and recovers from his knee injury, what kind of love and support are we going to give him? Are the people who already love Young going to replant their heads in Young's rear end and their hands in his wallet? Or will a few people within Team Vince do the right thing and level with him about what he needs to do to make it in the NFL as a quarterback?

Vince Young, like a lot of young African-American men, desperately needs to hear the truth from the people who love him. Too often we pave the road to failure for black boys by believing the cure for bigotry — and there is still plenty of bigotry in America — is the ability to recognize it in (and blame it for) everything. That cure has more negative side effects than most of the drugs trumpeted by the pharmaceutical companies in television commercials. That cure serves as a convenient crutch, and turns a talent such as Vince Young into a quitter the moment adversity strikes. That cure helped land Michael Vick in jail.

Everyone told Vince Young and Michael Vick the NFL would be easy. They'd revolutionize the QB position with their legs, and they could pop bottles, roll with a posse and pretend to be Jay-Z in their spare time.

It just doesn't work. Not for Young or Vick. Not for Matt Leinart. Not for anyone who wants to star at the position and avoid the boo-birds.

No one revolutionizes the starting quarterback position. The position revolutionizes the person playing it. Just ask Donovan McNabb. He figured it out and changed his game. Over the objection of idiots, McNabb developed his skills as a pocket passer. He concentrated on becoming a student of the game. If he can stay healthy over the next three or four years, McNabb will surpass Warren Moon as the best black quarterback ever to play the game.

Unfortunately, there are still people, especially black people, who don't appreciate McNabb. They think he let "us" down by de-emphasizing his athleticism, and they criticize him for being cozy with his organization the way Peyton Manning is with the Colts and Brady is with the Patriots.

McNabb doesn't get to enjoy the luxury of being a company man the way other franchise QBs in their prime do.

But McNabb has never threatened to quit or asked out of a game because the Philly fans were too rough. McNabb understands that in some instances the scrutiny of a black quarterback might be a tad more intense than that of a white one. He also understands that the best way to combat it isn't whining. It's performance. It's work ethic. It's professionalism.

It's not a coincidence that McNabb comes from a supportive, two-parent household.

I bring that up not to castigate Vince Young and his mother. I don't even know the story of Young's upbringing.

I raise the issue to point out that in modern professional sports — with the astronomical players' salaries — ownership and management examine the upbringing of the athletes and factor that into their decision-making.

Vick's failure, Young's potential failure and the guaranteed money they were given will make ownership more reluctant to anoint another kid from the 'hood a franchise quarterback straight out of college.

It's not about color. It's about fitting the profile of someone who can handle all that goes along with being an NFL quarterback. If I'm an owner, I spend my quarterback dollars on young men who were raised by strong fathers. It wouldn't be an infallible system, but on average I bet I'd hit more winners than if I turned over the leadership of my team to a kid who isn't used to having a strong male authority figure.

As black people, we need to ask ourselves whether we are doing a good job preparing our boys for positions of immense leadership, responsibility and scrutiny.

You are going to get criticized playing quarterback. If your instinct is to dismiss the criticism as racist, maybe you shouldn't play the position. If you are surrounded by people who spend every waking minute telling you that you can do no wrong and that everyone who criticizes you is a bigot, then maybe you shouldn't play quarterback.

The position requires thick skin and genuine self-confidence. If you need four or five male groupies with you at all times, a half million dollars of jewelry around your neck and wrists and a dozen tattoos to feel confident, then maybe you should play wide receiver or start rapping.

The average NFL fan has no idea how much time a franchise spends working on self-esteem issues with a typical player. You think these guys are self-assured. Many of them are not. They self-medicate with booze, drugs, steroids, bling, women and attention-getting stunts such as name changes.

Remember when Terrell Owens' assistant claimed he had 25 million reasons to live? It was an accidental moment of clarity and honesty. Too many players have their whole sense of self-worth tied up in their contracts.

It doesn't take much to crack a man with no real identity, especially if he's grown accustomed to having all of his shortcomings rationalized.

irishjayhawk · 09-11-2008, 06:04 PM

I don't know. It sounds like a very well written, well argued piece.

And I hate his usual race card pieces. This, however, doesn't fit that bill.

HypnotizedMonkey · 09-11-2008, 06:10 PM

LEAVE VY ALONE!!! lol

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2008, 06:30 PM

Anyone who knew anything about the quarterback position at the NFL level knew that Vince Young would be a miserable failure.

Fairplay · 09-11-2008, 06:53 PM

Young will never be the same after this media attention.

Good luck to him in his NFL future. That's really all i can say for him.

Maybe he can get a really good phyciatrist. The Titans should foot the bill, no question.

The situation is sad. I didn't think Titans fans were that onery when i was down there. Especially to get to him.

Can you imagine if he was with a New York team?

He's his own worst enemy it appears.

Fairplay · 09-11-2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Anyone who knew anything about the quarterback position at the NFL level knew that Vince Young would be a miserable failure.

Like you knew? I doubt that. Post any past links that you said that before he was drafted for proof.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-11-2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay

Like you knew? I doubt that. Post any past links that you said that before he was drafted for proof.

I did.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....1&postcount=15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I saw people posting about Vince Young, so I finally took some time to watch Texas (I HATE Texas, so this was difficult in many ways). Anyway, Young is a freakin' HACK! He makes Michael Vick look like Joe Montana. If he thinks he's going to be a QB, he'll be lucky to get drafted. If he's smart, he pulls a Hines Ward or Randal El, because the guy will never make it as an NFL QB.

Dane

T-post Tom · 09-11-2008, 10:36 PM

Jason is right. Racism is about the last thing on the list of professional worries for black NFL players. The surname "Leaf" has some origins in England. I wonder if anti-British sentiments caused Ryan Leaf's psychological issues and ruined his NFL career. "Marinovich" has Croatian and Serbian ties. Did the bias against Croatians and Serbians send Todd Marinovich on his downward spiral? I don't remember any articles addressing those issues.

Yes there are whites with racist views towards blacks & other non-whites. Just as there are blacks with racist views towards whites and other non-blacks. But somehow I suspect that the negative impact of racism on black NFL players is far outweighed by the effects of white guilt. Again, they're both WAY down the list of professional concerns for the black athlete. It's a performance based business. If Young plays well (& the team wins some games), then he becomes the fans' best friend. He gets the key to city and diplomatic immunity under the name "Ron Mexico". If he plays poorly, the "boo-birds" will be his best friend and he'll need a speedy get-away car.

Fairplay · 09-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Anyone who knew anything about the quarterback position at the NFL level knew that Vince Young would be a miserable failure.

After the fact smart people always get me riled up.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-11-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay

After the fact smart people always get me riled up.

Ask, and you shall receive:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...7&postcount=13

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Somehow, I have a feeling they'll draft Vince Young over Leinart b/c they are that fucking stupid.

From draft day:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That Vince Young rap is fucking horrible. I can't wait to see him bust like a Peter North pop shot.

Hootie · 09-13-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ask, and you shall receive:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...7&postcount=13

From draft day:

Nice call...but Leinart isn't looking to good, either

Besides, VY was an easy bust call...who wasn't shocked when he won rookie of the year?

And for being a bust...I think they've made the playoffs both years he has been starting...so, yeah his stats don't look so good but the Titans seem to win with him at QB...

sedated · 09-12-2008, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay

After the fact smart people always get me riled up.

people who say "Like you knew? I doubt that" always get me riled up

KCTitus · 09-11-2008, 06:58 PM

Jason's always been consistent with regard to his opinion of the state of young black men and sports...he definitely swims upstream in that regard and it doesnt take the normal Jason bombast to get the attention/reaction he needs to get from his columns.

triple · 09-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Anyone who knew anything about the quarterback position at the NFL level knew that Vince Young would be a miserable failure.

I agree, I was saying it even before he was drafted.

These guys who wouldn't be quarterbacks if not for their running ability don't work in the NFL.

Vince Young 5 years from now will just be some dunce who never learned to read a defense.

triple · 09-11-2008, 07:11 PM

I think he makes a good point about how important it is to have a strong father

09-11-2008, 05:17 PM	Topic Starter
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $284454	Whitlock: Sad to say, but Vince Young's problems were predictable Imagine that, another lecture on race.... Good read as always JWhit. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8...re-predictable I'm going to do my best to avoid turning this into an I-told-you-so column. But the truth is, I told you before the 2006 draft that Vince Young was primed for NFL failure. He entered the league with an attitude, mindset and supporting cast totally unprepared to survive the pressure, challenge and responsibility that goes along with the most prestigious and difficult job in all of sports. When I explained all of this in 2006, my naive and misguided critics called me an Uncle Tom. Yeah, they ripped me for attempting to issue a young black kid a warning about what awaited him in The League and the attitude he would need to cope and excel. Some people foolishly think it's every black media member's job to assist in the mental and emotional crippling of black youth. We're supposed to blow rainbows up the asses of every black athlete who "makes it" and assure him/her that anyone who utters a word of criticism is a jealous bigot or irrational sellout. So, no, I'm not surprised Vince Young tried to quit in the middle of Sunday's game after throwing a second interception and hearing boos from Titans fans frustrated by his inability to read a defense or throw accurately. I'm not all that shocked that two days later Jeff Fisher called the police and asked them to hunt down his inconsistent quarterback. I'm not surprised the Titans team psychologist is apparently worried that Vince Young is suffering depression. And I'm really not surprised that Vince Young's mother told The Tennessean that her baby boy needs a little space and a lot of love and support. The question is, when Young rebounds from his emotional abyss and recovers from his knee injury, what kind of love and support are we going to give him? Are the people who already love Young going to replant their heads in Young's rear end and their hands in his wallet? Or will a few people within Team Vince do the right thing and level with him about what he needs to do to make it in the NFL as a quarterback? Vince Young, like a lot of young African-American men, desperately needs to hear the truth from the people who love him. Too often we pave the road to failure for black boys by believing the cure for bigotry — and there is still plenty of bigotry in America — is the ability to recognize it in (and blame it for) everything. That cure has more negative side effects than most of the drugs trumpeted by the pharmaceutical companies in television commercials. That cure serves as a convenient crutch, and turns a talent such as Vince Young into a quitter the moment adversity strikes. That cure helped land Michael Vick in jail. Everyone told Vince Young and Michael Vick the NFL would be easy. They'd revolutionize the QB position with their legs, and they could pop bottles, roll with a posse and pretend to be Jay-Z in their spare time. It just doesn't work. Not for Young or Vick. Not for Matt Leinart. Not for anyone who wants to star at the position and avoid the boo-birds. No one revolutionizes the starting quarterback position. The position revolutionizes the person playing it. Just ask Donovan McNabb. He figured it out and changed his game. Over the objection of idiots, McNabb developed his skills as a pocket passer. He concentrated on becoming a student of the game. If he can stay healthy over the next three or four years, McNabb will surpass Warren Moon as the best black quarterback ever to play the game. Unfortunately, there are still people, especially black people, who don't appreciate McNabb. They think he let "us" down by de-emphasizing his athleticism, and they criticize him for being cozy with his organization the way Peyton Manning is with the Colts and Brady is with the Patriots. McNabb doesn't get to enjoy the luxury of being a company man the way other franchise QBs in their prime do. But McNabb has never threatened to quit or asked out of a game because the Philly fans were too rough. McNabb understands that in some instances the scrutiny of a black quarterback might be a tad more intense than that of a white one. He also understands that the best way to combat it isn't whining. It's performance. It's work ethic. It's professionalism. It's not a coincidence that McNabb comes from a supportive, two-parent household. I bring that up not to castigate Vince Young and his mother. I don't even know the story of Young's upbringing. I raise the issue to point out that in modern professional sports — with the astronomical players' salaries — ownership and management examine the upbringing of the athletes and factor that into their decision-making. Vick's failure, Young's potential failure and the guaranteed money they were given will make ownership more reluctant to anoint another kid from the 'hood a franchise quarterback straight out of college. It's not about color. It's about fitting the profile of someone who can handle all that goes along with being an NFL quarterback. If I'm an owner, I spend my quarterback dollars on young men who were raised by strong fathers. It wouldn't be an infallible system, but on average I bet I'd hit more winners than if I turned over the leadership of my team to a kid who isn't used to having a strong male authority figure. As black people, we need to ask ourselves whether we are doing a good job preparing our boys for positions of immense leadership, responsibility and scrutiny. You are going to get criticized playing quarterback. If your instinct is to dismiss the criticism as racist, maybe you shouldn't play the position. If you are surrounded by people who spend every waking minute telling you that you can do no wrong and that everyone who criticizes you is a bigot, then maybe you shouldn't play quarterback. The position requires thick skin and genuine self-confidence. If you need four or five male groupies with you at all times, a half million dollars of jewelry around your neck and wrists and a dozen tattoos to feel confident, then maybe you should play wide receiver or start rapping. The average NFL fan has no idea how much time a franchise spends working on self-esteem issues with a typical player. You think these guys are self-assured. Many of them are not. They self-medicate with booze, drugs, steroids, bling, women and attention-getting stunts such as name changes. Remember when Terrell Owens' assistant claimed he had 25 million reasons to live? It was an accidental moment of clarity and honesty. Too many players have their whole sense of self-worth tied up in their contracts. It doesn't take much to crack a man with no real identity, especially if he's grown accustomed to having all of his shortcomings rationalized.
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HypnotizedMonkey usually hooplah is involved Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Casino cash: $10004925	LEAVE VY ALONE!!! lol
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	Anyone who knew anything about the quarterback position at the NFL level knew that Vince Young would be a miserable failure. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Fairplay A certain set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: texas Casino cash: $10026683 VARSITY	Young will never be the same after this media attention. Good luck to him in his NFL future. That's really all i can say for him. Maybe he can get a really good phyciatrist. The Titans should foot the bill, no question. The situation is sad. I didn't think Titans fans were that onery when i was down there. Especially to get to him. Can you imagine if he was with a New York team? He's his own worst enemy it appears.
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T-post Tom Busy in a Kohl's restroom Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $1887293	Jason is right. Racism is about the last thing on the list of professional worries for black NFL players. The surname "Leaf" has some origins in England. I wonder if anti-British sentiments caused Ryan Leaf's psychological issues and ruined his NFL career. "Marinovich" has Croatian and Serbian ties. Did the bias against Croatians and Serbians send Todd Marinovich on his downward spiral? I don't remember any articles addressing those issues. Yes there are whites with racist views towards blacks & other non-whites. Just as there are blacks with racist views towards whites and other non-blacks. But somehow I suspect that the negative impact of racism on black NFL players is far outweighed by the effects of white guilt. Again, they're both WAY down the list of professional concerns for the black athlete. It's a performance based business. If Young plays well (& the team wins some games), then he becomes the fans' best friend. He gets the key to city and diplomatic immunity under the name "Ron Mexico". If he plays poorly, the "boo-birds" will be his best friend and he'll need a speedy get-away car. __________________ You seem nice!
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triple Stop saying &quot;This.&quot; Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	I think he makes a good point about how important it is to have a strong father
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