Chiefs I don't have faith any Clark Hunt

RedThat · 11-25-2008, 04:34 PM

I really don't.

I know we all blame Carl, Herm, Gunther, and the rest of the Crew..but really it boils down to ownership. That is the root of the problem and the reason to why the Chiefs suck badly. I don't see any passion or desire for winning? The biggest controversy in Kansas City is a difference of perspectives from the fans and ownership. Fans care and are passionate about football, ownership on the other hand doesn't seem like it.

Why are these FO guys here? Because Clark is allowing them to be here. Which is a joke. I can't think of any team in professional sports that retains the services of an "underachieving GM"..I can't think of one.

I know their is loyalty, and an establishment of relationships between the people you work with blah, blah...but what about winning and results? Why have the Chiefs had more losing seasons throughout the history of their franchise then winning? I think this ownership either needs to change, or shift their thinking to please the fanbase. Because that it is all about. The fans and ownership need to be on the same page and it doesn't seem like its happening.

*So really Im not going to blame Carl, or Herm, or Gunther for this atrocious disaster for this embarrasment that is going on, bad embarrasments that this franchise might be on pace for setting embarassing records on defense...And why no comments from the owner?!? its ridiculous..its joke and it speaks high volumes about what this franchise really is

Fish · 11-25-2008, 04:40 PM

Deberg_1990 · 11-25-2008, 04:45 PM

Ill say it again once more for the cheap seats:

The only thing that gets their attention is less $$$$$.

Stop buying tickets and merchandise until real change is made. Judging by the attendance ive seen this year, the word is slowly getting out.

Frazod · 11-25-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ill say it again once more for the cheap seats:

The only thing that gets their attention is less $$$$$.

Stop buying tickets and merchandise until real change is made. Judging by the attendance ive seen this year, the word is slowly getting out.

I've certainly done this. Since I discovered ebay, I have purchased zero "league-approved" merchandise from official sources. **** 'em.

And no trip to KC for a game this year. Nor any other year until some of these assclowns are exorcised.

JuicesFlowing · 11-25-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Ill say it again once more for the cheap seats:

The only thing that gets their attention is less $$$$$.

Stop buying tickets and merchandise until real change is made. Judging by the attendance ive seen this year, the word is slowly getting out.

No kidding. That Buffalo game was awful (or good rather.) I kept waiting for people in the concourse area to sit in their seats. As it turned out, there must not have been anyone in the concourse area.

chiefs1111 · 11-25-2008, 04:50 PM

is there any Chiefs fan who have faith in Clark Hunt???

chiefzilla1501 · 11-25-2008, 04:55 PM

I don't think he's been here long enough to evaluate. As I've said and proven many times in-depth, Carl Peterson ****ed up the team big time through 7 years of gross mismanagement when Lamar Hunt was owner. I don't think it's Hunt's fault that he inherited a huge mess.

Whenever I hear him talk about Peterson, I sort of sense that he's looking really forward to him leaving. I'd have to think he doesn't want to fire him only because he knows that Peterson will be leaving town without a fight in a year anyway.

I hope anyway. I think we'll truly know what Hunt's made of in one year... based on whether he ends up extending Peterson's contract (which I don't think he will) and who he chooses to be his GM. Only then will this team truly be his.

And we'll learn if he's like his Dad or not by if he chooses Terry Bradway to be GM, or as I call him, Carl Peterson Lite. I really, really, really hope for everyone's sake that he won't be that idiotic. But I"m very concerned that he will, playing the same reeruned loyalty/croney card the Chiefs have used for years.

Deberg_1990 · 11-25-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't think he's been here long enough to evaluate. As I've said and proven many times in-depth, Carl Peterson ****ed up the team big time through 7 years of gross mismanagement when Lamar Hunt was owner. I don't think it's Hunt's fault that he inherited a huge mess.

Clark has a HUGE opputunity after this season to make a statement about what he wants for this team.

Fire Peterson and the fanbase will rejoice. Heck, he could bring in Matt Millen to replace him and the fans would still rejoice.

Or stand pat and risk losing an even more sizable chunk of his fanbase.

This offseason will tell me all i need to know about Clark Hunt.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-25-2008, 05:06 PM

Definitely a huge opportunity. But I don't think it defines him. We're talking about firing a long-time family friend who his Dad was fiercely loyal to. If Peterson was on a long-term deal, I could see him making this move. But I think Hunt knows he can not fire a family friend and get the same result in one year anyway, so why burn that bridge if you don't have to.

I'd love to see Peterson fired this year too. But I just don't see it happening.

What I think will define Hunt is not how he acts this year, but how he acts in 2009. Will he promote in-house? Will he hire Bradway? I would hope not. But until he hires his own guys and isn't stuck with what his Dad left him, I don't think you can truly say he has a firm stake in the team yet.

If he hires Bradway, I'll have my pitchfork in hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Clark has a HUGE opputunity after this season to make a statement about what he wants for this team.

Fire Peterson and the fanbase will rejoice. Heck, he could bring in Matt Millen to replace him and the fans would still rejoice.

Or stand pat and risk losing an even more sizable chunk of his fanbase.

This offseason will tell me all i need to know about Clark Hunt.

Delano · 11-25-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Clark has a HUGE opputunity after this season to make a statement about what he wants for this team.

Fire Peterson and the fanbase will rejoice. Heck, he could bring in Matt Millen to replace him and the fans would still rejoice.

Or stand pat and risk losing an even more sizable chunk of his fanbase.

This offseason will tell me all i need to know about Clark Hunt.

Isn't the youth movement a pretty big statement?

Deberg_1990 · 11-25-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

Isn't the youth movement a pretty big statement?

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.

All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???

Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

Fish · 11-25-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.

All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???

Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

Jerry Jones did it... Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 his first season as head coach of the Cowboys. Three years later he won them the Superbowl. Then repeated it the year after.

Herm is not Jimmy Johnson, but owners do have the patience for it sometimes...

chiefzilla1501 · 11-26-2008, 12:34 AM

I've never had a problem with this idea. The Chiefs have spent the last 10 years buying average free agents to fill in holes, and it's been proven time and time again across numerous teams that it doesn't work.

Free agency isn't the answer anymore. Good players are getting protected and those who do hit the open market, there's usually a reason why. I'm fine with the youth movement--we're building a great foundation right now and with another very good draft and maybe 2 or 3 free agents, I think this team is competitive again. Granted, that will depend on the defensive coaches doing their job, and that's just not happening right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Yes. Thats part of it. Especially if the rumours are true that this season was all about being under the cap for the stadium rebuild.

All im trying to say is,

How does an owner stand pat after a 1 or 2 win season?? How does someone do that? Seriously???

Or back to back seasons of 4 wins or less??

whoman69 · 11-29-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

Isn't the youth movement a pretty big statement?

Statement about how not to do a youth movement. Simply picking the least expensive player to fill a hole just because they are young is not a youth movement. Picking up players that couldn't even make it on other horrible teams just because they are young is not a youth movement. When you have a youth movement you try to get young players that you believe will be a part of your future and plug in veterans where you believe there isn't a valid option available.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-29-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Statement about how not to do a youth movement. Simply picking the least expensive player to fill a hole just because they are young is not a youth movement. Picking up players that couldn't even make it on other horrible teams just because they are young is not a youth movement. When you have a youth movement you try to get young players that you believe will be a part of your future and plug in veterans where you believe there isn't a valid option available.

You'll rarely hear me agree with Petro, but he did make a good point that if you're going to swing too far in one direction, better to go youth, ride it out and learn from it, than stocking the fridge with FA.

This is especially true in the case of the Chiefs, because Carl's FA record is an abysmal ****ing joke.

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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I don't have faith any Clark Hunt I really don't. I know we all blame Carl, Herm, Gunther, and the rest of the Crew..but really it boils down to ownership. That is the root of the problem and the reason to why the Chiefs suck badly. I don't see any passion or desire for winning? The biggest controversy in Kansas City is a difference of perspectives from the fans and ownership. Fans care and are passionate about football, ownership on the other hand doesn't seem like it. Why are these FO guys here? Because Clark is allowing them to be here. Which is a joke. I can't think of any team in professional sports that retains the services of an "underachieving GM"..I can't think of one. I know their is loyalty, and an establishment of relationships between the people you work with blah, blah...but what about winning and results? Why have the Chiefs had more losing seasons throughout the history of their franchise then winning? I think this ownership either needs to change, or shift their thinking to please the fanbase. Because that it is all about. The fans and ownership need to be on the same page and it doesn't seem like its happening. *So really Im not going to blame Carl, or Herm, or Gunther for this atrocious disaster for this embarrasment that is going on, bad embarrasments that this franchise might be on pace for setting embarassing records on defense...And why no comments from the owner?!? its ridiculous..its joke and it speaks high volumes about what this franchise really is
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1565503	I don't think he's been here long enough to evaluate. As I've said and proven many times in-depth, Carl Peterson ****ed up the team big time through 7 years of gross mismanagement when Lamar Hunt was owner. I don't think it's Hunt's fault that he inherited a huge mess. Whenever I hear him talk about Peterson, I sort of sense that he's looking really forward to him leaving. I'd have to think he doesn't want to fire him only because he knows that Peterson will be leaving town without a fight in a year anyway. I hope anyway. I think we'll truly know what Hunt's made of in one year... based on whether he ends up extending Peterson's contract (which I don't think he will) and who he chooses to be his GM. Only then will this team truly be his. And we'll learn if he's like his Dad or not by if he chooses Terry Bradway to be GM, or as I call him, Carl Peterson Lite. I really, really, really hope for everyone's sake that he won't be that idiotic. But I"m very concerned that he will, playing the same reeruned loyalty/croney card the Chiefs have used for years.
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