Chiefs Cowher is NOT Marty

chiefzilla1501 · 12-30-2008, 01:51 AM

I don't know why people are peddling around this idea that Cowher is Marty v.2

-Cowher won a Super Bowl, Marty won 0
-Cowher has been to two Super Bowls, Marty has been to 0
-Cowher won 12 playoff games to Marty's 5 (in 6 less seasons)
-Cowher loves to run trick plays, fake punts, and go for it on 4th down, Marty does not

Yes, Marty and the Chin run the same defense. Yes, they both love to run the ball. But the similiarities end there.

We don't hate Marty because he loved to run the ball, we hate him because h loved to run the ball in the wrong situations and fell into a shell with the game on the line. We don't hate Marty because he couldn't win, he hate him because he couldn't win when the game counted. In other words, we don't hate him because of his coaching style, we had him because of the coaching decisions he made when the game was on the line in the playoffs.

Cowher doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I have NEVER heard anyone refer to his Steelers as a Marty-ball team.

Let's stop all these bullshit discussions about how Cowher is another version of Marty. He's not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 01:59 AM

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

**007** · 12-30-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

Didn't Big Ben get his job due to an injury as well?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Didn't Big Ben get his job due to an injury as well?

Yes. During the game, Maddox was injured. Ben lead them to a few scoring drives but ultimately, it wasn't enough to win.

If Cowher actually had a set of ****ing balls, he'd have started Ben.

And they may have had a 16-0 record.

Big ****ing Balls aren't in Cowher's vocabulary.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-30-2008, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes. During the game, Maddox was injured. Ben lead them to a few scoring drives but ultimately, it wasn't enough to win.

If Cowher actually had a set of ****ing balls, he'd have started Ben.

And they may have had a 16-0 record.

Big ****ing Balls aren't in Cowher's vocabulary.

Ridiculous. Big Ben was a rookie. Like most coaches, he didn't want to start his rookie QB from game 1.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Ridiculous. Big Ben was a rookie. Like most coaches, he didn't want to start his rookie QB from game 1.

Like Mike Smith and John Harbaugh? Or Jim Mora or Dom Capers in Carolina?

Nice defense, ****.

Hammock Parties · 12-30-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

googlegoogle · 12-30-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

good points dane

**Rausch** · 12-30-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Tomcazk was a b/u forced into duty.
Graham was a b/u forced into duty.
Stewart was a WR/BU forced into duty.
Maddox was a b/u forced into duty.
O'Donnell was a "Girbac-esque" move. No character at all.

The difference was he WON playoff games with these douchebags. He didn't piss them away like Marty. Not choking to inferior teams, he OVERACHIEVED with garbage at QB.

And unless there's some huge change in direction that removes us from the last 30 years of Chiefs history I'd say that makes him the PERFECT HC for this team.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

I don't even think you believe this...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Tomcazk was a b/u forced into duty.
Graham was a b/u forced into duty.
Stewart was a WR/BU forced into duty.
Maddox was a b/u forced into duty.
O'Donnell was a "Girbac-esque" move. No character at all.

The difference was he WON playoff games with these douchebags. He didn't piss them away like Marty. Not choking to inferior teams, he OVERACHIEVED with garbage at QB.

And unless there's some huge change in direction that removes us from the last 30 years of Chiefs history I'd say that makes him the PERFECT HC for this team.

I don't even think you believe this...

Rausch, some of what you mention is absolutely untrue. When O'Donnel left for the Jets after the 1995 season, Cowher started Tomczak. That was his guy. Maddox was his starter. Stewart was his starter. Kent Graham was his backup that became a starter.

Say what you will about "his" coaching ability (and defensively, his teams have always been outstanding), he's put guys like Chan Gailey and Mike Mularkey in tough spots due to their QB selection.

The only guy who didn't have it rough was Ken Whisenhunt and that's because he had Ben as his QB.

15 YEARS people. 15 YEARS.

TEX · 12-30-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

Oh - BTW - when did they WIN the Super Bowl? Guess When? When Ben started...

You're wrong on so many levels. Big Ben was not forecd on him at all. Cowher actually called him and told him that if still there when the Steelers picked, they would draft him.

Even when you spew total BS, it shows that Cowher grew as a coach because he CHANGED. Jeez... he ALWAYS WON!

Cowher would be the best coach the Chiefs have had since Hank Stram. I can't understand how anyone would not welcome him as HC.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-30-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Oh - BTW - when did they WIN the Super Bowl? Guess When? When Ben started...

You're wrong on so many levels. Big Ben was not forecd on him at all. Cowher actually called him and told him that if still there when the Steelers picked, they would draft him.

This from the same guy who chose Troy ****ing Edwards at number 8.

Think what you want to believe. I had friends in Pittsburgh at the time who told me out right that ownership essentially mandated that the Steelers draft Rothlisberger regardless of who else was available.

And just because Cowher, in your estimation, would be a better coach than anyone since Stram, doesn't automatically mean that he's the best coach available for the franchise at this time.

Deberg_1990 · 12-30-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

You love Herm but hate on Cowher?? WTF?

beach tribe · 12-30-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

You love Herm but hate on Cowher?? WTF?

Really.

I'm not gonna listen to anybody's opinion on HCs that thinks Herm has done a good job.

.

**007** · 12-30-2008, 01:59 AM

Doesn't matter. He's going to be a Jet.

12-30-2008, 01:51 AM	Topic Starter
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1595503	Cowher is NOT Marty I don't know why people are peddling around this idea that Cowher is Marty v.2 -Cowher won a Super Bowl, Marty won 0 -Cowher has been to two Super Bowls, Marty has been to 0 -Cowher won 12 playoff games to Marty's 5 (in 6 less seasons) -Cowher loves to run trick plays, fake punts, and go for it on 4th down, Marty does not Yes, Marty and the Chin run the same defense. Yes, they both love to run the ball. But the similiarities end there. We don't hate Marty because he loved to run the ball, we hate him because h loved to run the ball in the wrong situations and fell into a shell with the game on the line. We don't hate Marty because he couldn't win, he hate him because he couldn't win when the game counted. In other words, we don't hate him because of his coaching style, we had him because of the coaching decisions he made when the game was on the line in the playoffs. Cowher doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I have NEVER heard anyone refer to his Steelers as a Marty-ball team. Let's stop all these bullshit discussions about how Cowher is another version of Marty. He's not.
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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Cowher's a ** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic. Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he **ed up. Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start. No thanks, 'Zilla.
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