Chiefs Question about LJ's tradability.

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 11:15 AM

Every time someone talks about trading LJ away a bunch of posters pounce on him and remind him how "stupid" he is because LJ's big contract and signing bonus makes him UNTRADABLE. I admit, when it comes to understanding financial stuff I am far from the brightest star in the sky. So here's the question:

LJ wants out of KC. We, as I understand, lose less money if we keep him than if we get rid of him (don't know how, but it's been said). With that in mind, if Leon is so out of here in his mind, is it possible that the current contract can be thrown away and a new more reasonable one negotiated that would remove the barriers to his tradability? If not, let him know that he will be an expensive back-up on our bench. A year of gluing his ass to the bench should either ruin his career or bring his ass around to be more agreeable to this.

Am I overlooking something here?

Extra Point · 01-04-2009, 11:24 AM

No. Here's a pep talk from Herm, re-enacted:

JohnnyV13 · 01-04-2009, 11:24 AM

Yeah. The financial holdup is LJs signing bonus. Since he signed a 7 year deal, and has only fulfilled 2, the bulk of the signing bonus would accelerate into next year, as a current year cap hit. The Chiefs would lose about 14 million or so in cap room (or 7 if you spread the hit over 2 years).

Of course, the Chiefs DO have that cap room, unless the new GM decides to go on a shopping spree. As for LJ's tradability, the new team would assume LJ's base pay. From what I understand, LJ's base pay is pretty high and the new team might not be willing to accept that salary for a guy that could receive a years suspension for his next nightclub run-in. A team trading for LJ might demand to renegotiate the contract with LJ, before doing a deal.

DTLB58 · 01-04-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Yeah. The financial holdup is LJs signing bonus. Since he signed a 7 year deal, and has only fulfilled 2, the bulk of the signing bonus would accelerate into next year, as a current year cap hit. The Chiefs would lose about 14 million or so in cap room (or 7 if you spread the hit over 2 years).

Of course, the Chiefs DO have that cap room, unless the new GM decides to go on a shopping spree. As for LJ's tradability, the new team would assume LJ's base pay. From what I understand, LJ's base pay is pretty high and the new team might not be willing to accept that salary for a guy that could receive a years suspension for his next nightclub run-in. A team trading for LJ might demand to renegotiate the contract with LJ, before doing a deal.

Well, someone took a chance on Jared when he was one strike away...and if LJ wants out of KC as bad as he says he probably would re-do his contract then.

Question is: Jammal Charles an every down back? or do we then have to use another high draft pick on a franchise RB?

Thought: If we keep Tyler and keep running the spread Sproles would be perfect for that IMO....

Danman · 01-04-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Question is: Jammal Charles an every down back? or do we then have to use another high draft pick on a franchise RB?

Thought: If we keep Tyler and keep running the spread Sproles would be perfect for that IMO....

I believe drafting a running back every year or every other year would be the way to go. The average life expectancy of a RB is 4-6 yrs.

No to the spread as a full time offense. Sproles is awesome regardless. He may be only 5'6" but he's got a lot of power in his legs

milkman · 01-04-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Yeah. The financial holdup is LJs signing bonus. Since he signed a 7 year deal, and has only fulfilled 2, the bulk of the signing bonus would accelerate into next year, as a current year cap hit. The Chiefs would lose about 14 million or so in cap room (or 7 if you spread the hit over 2 years).

Of course, the Chiefs DO have that cap room, unless the new GM decides to go on a shopping spree. As for LJ's tradability, the new team would assume LJ's base pay. From what I understand, LJ's base pay is pretty high and the new team might not be willing to accept that salary for a guy that could receive a years suspension for his next nightclub run-in. A team trading for LJ might demand to renegotiate the contract with LJ, before doing a deal.

I could be misinformed, but as I uderstand it, if LJ remains with the Chiefs his base salary and prorated bonus would count 8.2 mil against the cap, while his accelerated bonus would count 8.8 mil against the cap.

If those numbers are correct then cutting or trading him is definitely not out of the question.

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Yeah. The financial holdup is LJs signing bonus. Since he signed a 7 year deal, and has only fulfilled 2, the bulk of the signing bonus would accelerate into next year, as a current year cap hit. The Chiefs would lose about 14 million or so in cap room (or 7 if you spread the hit over 2 years).

Of course, the Chiefs DO have that cap room, unless the new GM decides to go on a shopping spree. As for LJ's tradability, the new team would assume LJ's base pay. From what I understand, LJ's base pay is pretty high and the new team might not be willing to accept that salary for a guy that could receive a years suspension for his next nightclub run-in. A team trading for LJ might demand to renegotiate the contract with LJ, before doing a deal.

So under that scenario the chiefs CAN conceivably trade him without absorbing the signing bonus hit.

milkman · 01-04-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

So under that scenario the chiefs CAN conceivably trade him without absorbing the signing bonus hit.

No.

The Chiefs will absorb the bonus hit if he's traded.

The renegotiated contract would be signed after the trade is official.

**DeezNutz** · 01-04-2009, 11:30 AM

LJ's contract is Carl's going away present to Chiefs fans.

FringeNC · 01-04-2009, 11:35 AM

LJ's contract is one of many reasons why he has virtually no trade value.

bowener · 01-04-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

LJ's contract is Carl's going away present to Chiefs fans.

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

**the Talking Can** · 01-04-2009, 02:57 PM

we just need to hire a black coach, everything will be fine

orange · 01-04-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

You don't think every landlord who's ever had more than three tenants hasn't already dealt with that? Hah!

whoaskew · 01-04-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

LOL

As if the landlord is the one who will be living there smelling it.

Maybe the new tenant is the asshole and you are doing the landlord a favor.

Deberg_1990 · 01-04-2009, 11:37 AM

We are probably better off keeping him. In the right system, he could be effective still.

He proved he could still run after he came back. If anything he was underused this year.

01-04-2009, 11:15 AM	Topic Starter
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Question about LJ's tradability. Every time someone talks about trading LJ away a bunch of posters pounce on him and remind him how "stupid" he is because LJ's big contract and signing bonus makes him UNTRADABLE. I admit, when it comes to understanding financial stuff I am far from the brightest star in the sky. So here's the question: LJ wants out of KC. We, as I understand, lose less money if we keep him than if we get rid of him (don't know how, but it's been said). With that in mind, if Leon is so out of here in his mind, is it possible that the current contract can be thrown away and a new more reasonable one negotiated that would remove the barriers to his tradability? If not, let him know that he will be an expensive back-up on our bench. A year of gluing his ass to the bench should either ruin his career or bring his ass around to be more agreeable to this. Am I overlooking something here?
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01-04-2009, 11:24 AM	#2
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01-04-2009, 11:24 AM	#3
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5405200	Yeah. The financial holdup is LJs signing bonus. Since he signed a 7 year deal, and has only fulfilled 2, the bulk of the signing bonus would accelerate into next year, as a current year cap hit. The Chiefs would lose about 14 million or so in cap room (or 7 if you spread the hit over 2 years). Of course, the Chiefs DO have that cap room, unless the new GM decides to go on a shopping spree. As for LJ's tradability, the new team would assume LJ's base pay. From what I understand, LJ's base pay is pretty high and the new team might not be willing to accept that salary for a guy that could receive a years suspension for his next nightclub run-in. A team trading for LJ might demand to renegotiate the contract with LJ, before doing a deal.
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