KU Self Cheating in Recruiting

ChiefsCountry · 01-19-2009, 09:18 PM

And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive.

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html

KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit

LAWRENCE | Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield.

Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings.

“Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.”

A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished.

Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.”

NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.”

The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.”

The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall.

Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami.

The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13

**the Talking Can** · 01-19-2009, 09:19 PM

good grief

it is perfectly legal.....pull your head out

**banyon** · 01-19-2009, 09:21 PM

ChiefsCountry jumping the gun on illegalities.

**DeezNutz** · 01-19-2009, 09:22 PM

What defines a "greeting"?

This would fall under this category, IMO.

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2009, 09:23 PM

Uh oh, Bill is going to get scolded....

Mr. Plow · 01-19-2009, 09:24 PM

Eh.....so he said "Good game" to a kid and then reported it.

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2009, 09:26 PM

This gives MU fan some hope...

**KcMizzou** · 01-19-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This gives MU fan some hope...

Didn't come from us.

**DeezNutz** · 01-19-2009, 09:26 PM

Talk on the radio centered on the "you played really well" bit. To me, this is a bullshit phrase, similar to a "what's up?" not an honest evaluation of the kid's play.

Typical nicety, given the circumstances.

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Talk on the radio centered on the "you played really well" bit. To me, this is a bullshit phrase, similar to a "what's up?" not an honest evaluation of the kid's play.

Typical nicety, given the circumstances.

I bet you a million space bucks nothing comes of this...

**KcMizzou** · 01-19-2009, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I bet you a million space bucks nothing comes of this...

Agreed. So what's Mizzou got to do with anything?

Reerun_KC · 01-19-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Agreed. So what's Mizzou got to do with anything?

I dont know, it just felt good to type....

**Skip Towne** · 01-19-2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Agreed. So what's Mizzou got to do with anything?

You were just handy.

DJay23 · 01-19-2009, 09:42 PM

These rules need to be revamped in my opinion. Personally I don't think a coach should have contact with a player unless an adult (coach or parent/guardian) is present and aware of the contact. And do away with the whole, "you can't talk to them by phone during these weeks, but then the next week you can but you can't see them in person and so on.

Doubt much will happen from this. Maybe Bill likes the challenge of building a team with 12 scholies. It worked last year

KC_Connection · 01-20-2009, 09:47 AM

That doesn't look like too much to me.

But to be serious, I'd be angry if he wasn't "cheating" in recruiting.

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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1441248	Self Cheating in Recruiting And this was broke by the Springfield News-Loser, which is even more impressive. http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/989604.html KU looking into Self's conversation with recruit LAWRENCE \| Kansas officials are aware that KU coach Bill Self had a brief interaction with top recruit John Wall during an NCAA evaluation period last Thursday night at a high school basketball tournament in Springfield. Coaches are not allowed contact with recruits during an NCAA evaluation period other than to exchange greetings. “Bill has brought it to our attention, and we’re still discussing just exactly what happened,” said Jim Marchiony, KU associate athletics director for external relations. “We’ll certainly discuss it with our compliance office.” A column in the Springfield News-Leader detailed an exchange that took place between Self and Wall outside Wall’s locker room after his game had finished. Self reportedly said to Wall, “Johnny, great win, man. You really played well.” Wall thanked Self, who then said, “I’m not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win.” NCAA rules define contact as “any face-to-face encounter between a prospect or the prospect’s parents, relatives or legal guardian(s) and an institutional staff member or athletics representative during which any dialogue occurs in excess of an exchange of a greeting.” The rules also state if a coach “positions himself in a location where contact is possible” it is considered a contact “regardless of whether any conversation occurs.” The rules say that if a coach is approached by a prospect, it is a not a contact as long as the coach doesn’t engage in more than a greeting and “takes appropriate steps to immediately terminate the encounter.” The News-Leader said Self “vanished” after the exchange with Wall. Wall, a 6-foot-4 point guard, is rated the No. 1 overall recruit in the class of 2009 by Rivals.com. He visited Kansas for the team’s 2008 national championship ring ceremony on the weekend of Sept. 20. Wall, a native of Raleigh, N.C., will choose among Kansas, Memphis, Baylor, N.C. State, Oregon, Duke and Miami. The KU athletic department is in the final year of a three-year NCAA probation for violations in men’s basketball and football. The basketball program has operated the past two seasons with 12 scholarships instead of the allotted 13
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DJay23 Rock Chalk Jayhawk Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: PA Casino cash: $-406683	These rules need to be revamped in my opinion. Personally I don't think a coach should have contact with a player unless an adult (coach or parent/guardian) is present and aware of the contact. And do away with the whole, "you can't talk to them by phone during these weeks, but then the next week you can but you can't see them in person and so on. Doubt much will happen from this. Maybe Bill likes the challenge of building a team with 12 scholies. It worked last year __________________ "True bliss is not something you search for, true bliss is already living inside us all, and sometimes it takes a roomfull of others to lead us to the mirror of your soul." - CosmicPal (10-3-03)
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KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $1672783	That doesn't look like too much to me. But to be serious, I'd be angry if he wasn't "cheating" in recruiting.
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